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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tsyr" data-source="post: 894522" data-attributes="member: 354">My thoughts thus far, after a 4-hour car ride discussing this with a friend:1) We are really heavily leaning towards the "It's another matrix" hypothesis. First, it doesn't really make any SENSE for the machines to not do that. And the whole zion/tunnels matrix is a lot smaller and (probably) easier to manage/secure than the main matrix... It's a holding program for people who have figured out what the main matrix is. Also, the logistics of recreating zion time and time again with 23 people, and them not knowing about it, are just silly... unless it's all a computer program. Then it would be easy.2) As an extension of that, we have high hopes that the whole humans=batteries thing is a lie... though we havn't found a good other explanation, unless it's one of these two things:a) They (the machines) are using us as a case study for something... perhaps trying to improve themselves.b) The Matrix might not be what we (and they) think it is. If we accept that Zion exists in a second matrix, perhaps the entire story is false... Perhaps we are not imprisoned by the machines as we thing. I'm borring a bit from a Stargate SG-1 episode, but... What if we did that to ourselves? Say we did destroy the world, somehow... nuclear war, something... What if we put as many humans as possible into a sort of protective existance... Maybe the machines are trying to keep us there for our own good, or perhaps the machines have gone haywire over the years...3) Assuming the Architect was right about there being 5 prior iterations of Neo, then there have probably also been 5 prior iterations of the matrix... After each cycle, the world is probably reset... Think about it... If we assume this happens every hundred years (I think it's probably longer), then the world would have started in the 1500's, because it exists at about the year 2000 in the matrix. How did people from the 1500's hack out of the matrix and so forth? When The One rebuilds Zion, and returns his code to the original source, the matrix probably resets, and is down for updates, if you will... Humans might be shunted to a seperate matrix, or possibly the planned upgrades are worked on over those 100 years, and done really quickly during the restart.4) As an extension of that... The other program-thugs... The twins, the "werewolf", etc... I had an interesting thought. We saw several iterations of them, right? Like, 3-5? What if they are left-over agents from earlier iterations of the matrix? From what we know of the Merovingian, I could easily see him keeping relics like that around as body guards... programs that didn't want to be deleted when the Architect came out with Agent 2.0, etc. 4b) Said friend questioned why they would abandon the twin-type agent, as they seem so good. Well, we don't really know that. All we know is they are tough in a fight. Perhaps they aren't very smart, or something? More than that, though... We know that when things are massively changed in the matrix, it causes glitches, right? The deja vu? What if their ability to go ghost-like, considering how much they do that, causes a lot of glitches, leading to instablities in the matrix in the area they do stuff in? Or maybe something else, I don't know...5) Though, on the rogue programs... That information is suspect. For all we know, the Oracle is working with the Architect (Very possible, actualy), and thus we can't trust any of the stuff she told Neo. Like was said about her... She tells you exactly what you need to hear. It's in the Architect's best interest that Neo realize what he is and complete the established cycle, so if the Oracle is working with him, she would tell Neo whatever he needs to hear to that end.6) Smith. Smith... What is Smith? I'm thinking he himself is an anomaly himself. His words to Neo... "I must thank you for setting me free", or something like that... We thought at first it just meant that Neo somehow lead to his ability to brain-jack people... But remember the very beginning, Smith gave Neo his ear-plug, in a symbolic fashion... In the first movie, I got the impression that the ear-plug was sort of a link to the over-mind of the matrix... When Smith didn't have his in, he didn't know what was going on, and the other agent actualy almost seemed to show some disaproval at the fact that Smith was disconnected from the Matrix. Smith is, in all probability, no longer working for the Matrix... He is whatever he is, another rogue program, I guess. And he might very well be the wild-card... The flaw in the great equation that the Architect uses. Just some initial thougths.</blockquote>

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