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<blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 895916" data-attributes="member: 9298"><p>if i may jump in with a few comments...</p><p></p><p>i despise the question of why neo didnt just fly away from the 100 smiths at the beginning (or why he doesnt always use his SUPER super powers) theres a few obvious reasons. using the SUPER powers still isn't his first reaction. he only pulls off those moves if he has thought about it, or its the only thing he can </p><p>oh, and most important (supported by the 1st movie)</p><p>KUNG FU IS FUN!!!!!!!</p><p>for him, as well as for us. </p><p>never underestimate the desire to actually kick someones butt if you think you can rather than avoid the fight.</p><p></p><p>next, we the ineternet-savvy, role-playing "geeks" make up the smarter and more observant end of the movie watching audience. just because WE have immediately jumped to the conclusion of two or more levels of the matrix doesn't mean that the average viewer has. every "non-geek" i know that has seen that movie did NOT jump to that thought at all. </p><p></p><p>to me, the multilayerd matrix is NOT a cop-out.and does NOT suck.</p><p>what WOULD suck is if ANY of the exposition by the oracle or architect turns out to be a lie. sitting through that much exposition and not being able to trust any of it is NOT cool.</p><p></p><p>the architects comments about neo having "predecessors" is backed up by the merovingian who whined about neos predecessors having more manners. and if you believe everything that the architect and the oracle told neo in reloaded... it all but points directly to one more layer of control. which is also ties in neatly with the conversation with the councilman about control.</p><p>i also love the oracle's food gifts idea as presented in this thread. continues to tie everything in nicely.</p><p></p><p>i think the clinching factor that proves the mutlimatrix theory though isnt even neo's use of powers to stop the squiddies, but the mere prescence of agent smith in the "real world". theres just no feasible way for that to have happend unless its just another layer of computer program. </p><p></p><p>i also think the multimatrix theory ties up some of the other questionable matrix logic, like why the machines allow the rogue programs to exist and the huge gamble the machines would be taking letting the one have the choice to destroy the matrix.</p><p></p><p>we'll have to see exactly what happens to the matrix now that neo made that choice, since it didnt instantaneously disappear.</p><p>and also exactly what agent smith's next move is.</p><p>and theres always the possibility that morpheus is somewhat infected by agent smith since smiths attempt to copy onto morpheus wasnt broken as cleanly as the previous attempt on neo.</p><p></p><p>im not 100% convinced that this is the ONLY possible solution but this is the camp i've thrown in with for now.</p><p> </p><p>RolandofGilead's theory does a good job of explaining the coma that neo is in, but doesnt have enough backup to win me over.</p><p></p><p>The only other thought I'd like to throw out is that if a movie can have this many people talking about what exactly is going on, it must have done SOMETHING right.</p><p></p><p>steve</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevelabny, post: 895916, member: 9298"] if i may jump in with a few comments... i despise the question of why neo didnt just fly away from the 100 smiths at the beginning (or why he doesnt always use his SUPER super powers) theres a few obvious reasons. using the SUPER powers still isn't his first reaction. he only pulls off those moves if he has thought about it, or its the only thing he can oh, and most important (supported by the 1st movie) KUNG FU IS FUN!!!!!!! for him, as well as for us. never underestimate the desire to actually kick someones butt if you think you can rather than avoid the fight. next, we the ineternet-savvy, role-playing "geeks" make up the smarter and more observant end of the movie watching audience. just because WE have immediately jumped to the conclusion of two or more levels of the matrix doesn't mean that the average viewer has. every "non-geek" i know that has seen that movie did NOT jump to that thought at all. to me, the multilayerd matrix is NOT a cop-out.and does NOT suck. what WOULD suck is if ANY of the exposition by the oracle or architect turns out to be a lie. sitting through that much exposition and not being able to trust any of it is NOT cool. the architects comments about neo having "predecessors" is backed up by the merovingian who whined about neos predecessors having more manners. and if you believe everything that the architect and the oracle told neo in reloaded... it all but points directly to one more layer of control. which is also ties in neatly with the conversation with the councilman about control. i also love the oracle's food gifts idea as presented in this thread. continues to tie everything in nicely. i think the clinching factor that proves the mutlimatrix theory though isnt even neo's use of powers to stop the squiddies, but the mere prescence of agent smith in the "real world". theres just no feasible way for that to have happend unless its just another layer of computer program. i also think the multimatrix theory ties up some of the other questionable matrix logic, like why the machines allow the rogue programs to exist and the huge gamble the machines would be taking letting the one have the choice to destroy the matrix. we'll have to see exactly what happens to the matrix now that neo made that choice, since it didnt instantaneously disappear. and also exactly what agent smith's next move is. and theres always the possibility that morpheus is somewhat infected by agent smith since smiths attempt to copy onto morpheus wasnt broken as cleanly as the previous attempt on neo. im not 100% convinced that this is the ONLY possible solution but this is the camp i've thrown in with for now. RolandofGilead's theory does a good job of explaining the coma that neo is in, but doesnt have enough backup to win me over. The only other thought I'd like to throw out is that if a movie can have this many people talking about what exactly is going on, it must have done SOMETHING right. steve [/QUOTE]
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