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<blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 897492" data-attributes="member: 7211"><p><strong>Stuff that Still Has me Wracking My Brain</strong></p><p></p><p>The Questions:</p><p></p><p>1. There is a scene which is presented after Neo+Trinity have made love while they are sleeping. We see Smith chasing 2 rebels, one gets away, one gets assimilated into Smith.exe and jacks out. Neo wakes up.</p><p></p><p>Why does Neo wake up? </p><p></p><p>A) Is he having a bad dream while this is happening (of Trinity dying perhaps, which is also alluded to)?</p><p></p><p>B) Are Smith and Neo so connected that Neo "felt" his prescence in the real world (or the 2nd layer of the Matrix, if you are so inclined)?</p><p></p><p>C) Did Neo actually dream that sequence? If so, why is he "surprised" at all the Smiths later, and/or why doesn't he inform everyone of this rather important discovery.</p><p></p><p>I believe that Neo could not have had the dream, as he would have done something about it. Although, he has been having bad dreams about Trinity but doesn't do anything to stop her from jacking in until the end.</p><p></p><p>2. There is a scene where the person assimilated by Smith is in Zion, he has a knife and appears to be on the verge of attacking Neo. The kid runs up, interrupting Smith's plan, but he shakes Neo's hand. Later, in the council, Smith tries to urge the captain of the ship he is from to be the other ship to look for the nebuchenezzar (sp?) and is quieted by the captain.</p><p></p><p>What are Smith's motives while in the real world?</p><p></p><p>A) He is merely trying to kill Neo, If so, why does he some to hold some regard for his own life? He could probably have assaulted Neo even with the kid running up. There also seems to be plenty of guns and such around Zion, couldn't he have gotten access to something more dangerous and killed Neo?</p><p></p><p>B) While some of Smith's plans, patterns, and persona was imprinted, it is not a true Smith and there is a human will struggling against the intrusion.The only evidence is cutting his palm, but see below.</p><p></p><p>C) Smith doesn't know what he wants, though as the oracle states, he seems to want more power. This could be reflected by the smiths general group mentality, ie- there doesn't seem to be a "king smith", just a bunch of individuals with the same persona and goals. A singular race.</p><p></p><p>What is the significance of cutting his hand just before assaulting him?</p><p></p><p>A) There is a struggle in the body between the Smith character and the human who formerly controlled the body. This is still not a strong theory.</p><p></p><p>B) There is some symbolism to cutting his own hand.</p><p></p><p>C) He is trying to frame Neo somehow?</p><p></p><p>3. When the archietect and Neo have their discourse, Neo says "the oracle" after which the archietect says "Please" in a disparaging tone.</p><p></p><p>What does this response mean?</p><p></p><p>A) The oracle is not who he is referring to. Which begs the question, who is he reffering to? The only other likely candidate seems to be Persephone, but as she is a rogue program it seems unlikely.</p><p></p><p>B) His tone indicates displeasure at being interrupted so Neo could say something obvious. This seems likely, as the oracle herself hinted that she had a hand in the creation of the Matrix, thereby making her the "mother".</p><p></p><p>4. In the same conversation Neo is given a choice (seemingly). This choice involves the death of every human being, either plugged into the Matrix or living in Zion or merely the destruction of Zion with the ability to restock it with handpicked individuals. In either situation, Trinity dies. The oracle seems surprised by the emotion he reads from Neo, and hence, Neo's decision which is apparantly different from those who came before him.</p><p></p><p>Why is Neo given a choice?</p><p></p><p>A) If the One weren't given a choice, he would disbelieve the 2nd layer of the Matrix and awaken from it, giving him a choice keeps him from believing the truth. There is enough to suggest a 2nd layer of the Matrix mathematically, but there is almost nothing in the films to suggest this, with the only possible thing being Neo's control over Sentinels at the end of the film.</p><p></p><p>B) The illusion of giving a choice makes it easier to re-assimilate the remainders the one contains. An unwilling one may try to escape/conceal information which is vital to running the Matrix, therefore making it a willing decision of the One allows for the greatest retention of important material for the next reset of the Matrix.</p><p></p><p>5. Based on the films, we are led to believe the Matrix has existed in different iterations. Though the Matrix currently is running at the peak of human civilization, other matrices may not have been made with such a timeframe. 1999 would be an optimum year because humans had learned to support many many millions of people on a single planet, though the first Matrix would not have had that many people. </p><p></p><p>Were there earlier Matrices set in earlier times?</p><p></p><p>A) We don't know, but its possible.</p><p></p><p>If the Matrix has been reset 5 times previously and Zion subsequently destroyed, shouldn't there be holes going down to Zion already? What about destroyed hovercraft from earlier rebel groups? What about very small cells that escaped and are living somewhere else?</p><p></p><p>Technik</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Technik4, post: 897492, member: 7211"] [b]Stuff that Still Has me Wracking My Brain[/b] The Questions: 1. There is a scene which is presented after Neo+Trinity have made love while they are sleeping. We see Smith chasing 2 rebels, one gets away, one gets assimilated into Smith.exe and jacks out. Neo wakes up. Why does Neo wake up? A) Is he having a bad dream while this is happening (of Trinity dying perhaps, which is also alluded to)? B) Are Smith and Neo so connected that Neo "felt" his prescence in the real world (or the 2nd layer of the Matrix, if you are so inclined)? C) Did Neo actually dream that sequence? If so, why is he "surprised" at all the Smiths later, and/or why doesn't he inform everyone of this rather important discovery. I believe that Neo could not have had the dream, as he would have done something about it. Although, he has been having bad dreams about Trinity but doesn't do anything to stop her from jacking in until the end. 2. There is a scene where the person assimilated by Smith is in Zion, he has a knife and appears to be on the verge of attacking Neo. The kid runs up, interrupting Smith's plan, but he shakes Neo's hand. Later, in the council, Smith tries to urge the captain of the ship he is from to be the other ship to look for the nebuchenezzar (sp?) and is quieted by the captain. What are Smith's motives while in the real world? A) He is merely trying to kill Neo, If so, why does he some to hold some regard for his own life? He could probably have assaulted Neo even with the kid running up. There also seems to be plenty of guns and such around Zion, couldn't he have gotten access to something more dangerous and killed Neo? B) While some of Smith's plans, patterns, and persona was imprinted, it is not a true Smith and there is a human will struggling against the intrusion.The only evidence is cutting his palm, but see below. C) Smith doesn't know what he wants, though as the oracle states, he seems to want more power. This could be reflected by the smiths general group mentality, ie- there doesn't seem to be a "king smith", just a bunch of individuals with the same persona and goals. A singular race. What is the significance of cutting his hand just before assaulting him? A) There is a struggle in the body between the Smith character and the human who formerly controlled the body. This is still not a strong theory. B) There is some symbolism to cutting his own hand. C) He is trying to frame Neo somehow? 3. When the archietect and Neo have their discourse, Neo says "the oracle" after which the archietect says "Please" in a disparaging tone. What does this response mean? A) The oracle is not who he is referring to. Which begs the question, who is he reffering to? The only other likely candidate seems to be Persephone, but as she is a rogue program it seems unlikely. B) His tone indicates displeasure at being interrupted so Neo could say something obvious. This seems likely, as the oracle herself hinted that she had a hand in the creation of the Matrix, thereby making her the "mother". 4. In the same conversation Neo is given a choice (seemingly). This choice involves the death of every human being, either plugged into the Matrix or living in Zion or merely the destruction of Zion with the ability to restock it with handpicked individuals. In either situation, Trinity dies. The oracle seems surprised by the emotion he reads from Neo, and hence, Neo's decision which is apparantly different from those who came before him. Why is Neo given a choice? A) If the One weren't given a choice, he would disbelieve the 2nd layer of the Matrix and awaken from it, giving him a choice keeps him from believing the truth. There is enough to suggest a 2nd layer of the Matrix mathematically, but there is almost nothing in the films to suggest this, with the only possible thing being Neo's control over Sentinels at the end of the film. B) The illusion of giving a choice makes it easier to re-assimilate the remainders the one contains. An unwilling one may try to escape/conceal information which is vital to running the Matrix, therefore making it a willing decision of the One allows for the greatest retention of important material for the next reset of the Matrix. 5. Based on the films, we are led to believe the Matrix has existed in different iterations. Though the Matrix currently is running at the peak of human civilization, other matrices may not have been made with such a timeframe. 1999 would be an optimum year because humans had learned to support many many millions of people on a single planet, though the first Matrix would not have had that many people. Were there earlier Matrices set in earlier times? A) We don't know, but its possible. If the Matrix has been reset 5 times previously and Zion subsequently destroyed, shouldn't there be holes going down to Zion already? What about destroyed hovercraft from earlier rebel groups? What about very small cells that escaped and are living somewhere else? Technik [/QUOTE]
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