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<blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9375644" data-attributes="member: 7026617">A Redeemer isn't annoying because of his damage.&nbsp; Its because he's boosting the effective defense of anyone in melee with the same opponent, or with smaller opponents, anyone nearby.&nbsp; And with additional feats over time, other penalties to the attacker.He just has the ability to make their life hell if they ignore him.Taking conditions though?&nbsp; Potentially on top of doing significantly less damage?&nbsp; I think you've not seen a Redeemer.That's why you engage with the best target out there with a partner.Not in my experience.&nbsp; I had it happen a couple of times, but that's because I lost the thread and engaged with an opponent I shouldn't have.In which case I'll be blunt: at least regarding the Redeemer, the people producing those lists are wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thomas Shey, post: 9375644, member: 7026617"] A Redeemer isn't annoying because of his damage. Its because he's boosting the effective defense of anyone in melee with the same opponent, or with smaller opponents, anyone nearby. And with additional feats over time, other penalties to the attacker. He just has the ability to make their life hell if they ignore him. Taking conditions though? Potentially on top of doing significantly less damage? I think you've not seen a Redeemer. That's why you engage with the best target out there with a partner. Not in my experience. I had it happen a couple of times, but that's because I lost the thread and engaged with an opponent I shouldn't have. In which case I'll be blunt: at least regarding the Redeemer, the people producing those lists are wrong. [/QUOTE]

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