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<blockquote data-quote="designbot" data-source="post: 6366304" data-attributes="member: 6777589">QUTOEI think we're mostly in agreement? I'm saying that being &quot;hidden&quot; does not grant you any special advantage. What matters is whether you can be seen. And taking the Hide action (after meeting the requirements) can help you become unseen, even if someone knows your location while you're hiding.In my example, the creature was popping out from behind total cover, then popping back. You can't hit a creature behind total cover anyway. The only question was whether the creature should get advantage for being unseen if it was hiding and temporarily passed into a lightly obscured area. (I think it might depend the result of a Perception vs. Stealth check.) I agree that attacking stops a creature from being hidden. I think the creature can take the Hide action again on their next turn (or as a bonus action for some creatures) if they are in the same location but unseen when they hid.Yes, if someone is hiding in a black room and you have darkvision, that's a lightly obscured area. They attack, they give away their position, and you can see them. They can't hide again unless they have a special ability to hide in lightly obscured areas.If someone is hiding in opaque fog, that's heavily obscured, so they are unseen whether they hide or not. If someone is hiding in patchy fog, that's lightly obscured—the same as the previous scenario. I agree that someone is only hidden if they take the hide action, and that hiding can help them be unseen even though you know their position.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="designbot, post: 6366304, member: 6777589"] [b]QUTOE[/b] I think we're mostly in agreement? I'm saying that being "hidden" does not grant you any special advantage. What matters is whether you can be seen. And taking the Hide action (after meeting the requirements) can help you become unseen, even if someone knows your location while you're hiding. In my example, the creature was popping out from behind total cover, then popping back. You can't hit a creature behind total cover anyway. The only question was whether the creature should get advantage for being unseen if it was hiding and temporarily passed into a lightly obscured area. (I think it might depend the result of a Perception vs. Stealth check.) I agree that attacking stops a creature from being hidden. I think the creature can take the Hide action again on their next turn (or as a bonus action for some creatures) if they are in the same location but unseen when they hid. Yes, if someone is hiding in a black room and you have darkvision, that's a lightly obscured area. They attack, they give away their position, and you can see them. They can't hide again unless they have a special ability to hide in lightly obscured areas. If someone is hiding in opaque fog, that's heavily obscured, so they are unseen whether they hide or not. If someone is hiding in patchy fog, that's lightly obscured—the same as the previous scenario. I agree that someone is only hidden if they take the hide action, and that hiding can help them be unseen even though you know their position. [/QUOTE]

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