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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6366569" data-attributes="member: 2011">And now for the quirky part of hiding and stealth.If you are hiding in a lightly obscured area and someone just walks down the trail and is not actively searching, it's your Stealth DC vs. their Passive Perception, say 12 (+2 Wis) for example. You need to roll 13 or higher on your Stealth.If you attack them, and then move off a bit and hide again in a lightly obscured area, they get a Disadvantaged Perception roll to spot you. The average roll for a Disadvantaged Perception roll at +2 = 9 (average for normal roll is 10.5, average for disadvantaged roll is 7.175, average for advantaged roll is 13.825).So now, you typically only need to roll 10 on your Stealth check.So, it is usually harder to hide from someone who does not know that you are there than it is for you to hide from someone who does know that you are there.To correct this, one could add a -5 to the Passive Perception resulting in 7 Passive Perception vs. a creature in a lightly obscured area and an 8 is needed on the first Stealth check here. But, then you would have to do this any time the hiding creature is in a lightly obscured area because creatures do not hide out in the open. Is the -5 there in a lightly obscured area, but not when one is hiding behind 3/4s cover or some such?I hope the DMG has better answers on this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6366569, member: 2011"] And now for the quirky part of hiding and stealth. If you are hiding in a lightly obscured area and someone just walks down the trail and is not actively searching, it's your Stealth DC vs. their Passive Perception, say 12 (+2 Wis) for example. You need to roll 13 or higher on your Stealth. If you attack them, and then move off a bit and hide again in a lightly obscured area, they get a Disadvantaged Perception roll to spot you. The average roll for a Disadvantaged Perception roll at +2 = 9 (average for normal roll is 10.5, average for disadvantaged roll is 7.175, average for advantaged roll is 13.825). So now, you typically only need to roll 10 on your Stealth check. So, it is usually harder to hide from someone who does not know that you are there than it is for you to hide from someone who does know that you are there. To correct this, one could add a -5 to the Passive Perception resulting in 7 Passive Perception vs. a creature in a lightly obscured area and an 8 is needed on the first Stealth check here. But, then you would have to do this any time the hiding creature is in a lightly obscured area because creatures do not hide out in the open. Is the -5 there in a lightly obscured area, but not when one is hiding behind 3/4s cover or some such? I hope the DMG has better answers on this. [/QUOTE]

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