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<blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 6368587" data-attributes="member: 6677017">On thing I think is really intended to be implied is that in a normal hide roll you aren't necessarily completely visually undetectable. You have something to hide behind (and we can make a nod to prior editions and allow that to be as little as half-cover it we want to), and you aren't intentionally making noise, and then your stealth check determines how well you manage to hide your visual and auditory presence.Ducking behind boxes, hiding behind a narrow (half cover tree) or blending into a crowd of people are all situations where completely blocking line of sight to all parts of your person is difficult, but where we can assume hiding is intended to be allowed. Just like your check determines how successfully you hide any auditory presence that your opponents might pick up on, it determines how well you hide your visual presence that they might pick up on. You are assumed to be peeking around corners, and I'd even allow you to move between boxes and stuff.Then it gets tricky after that, but I think Mike is thinking the way I wrote it above, and the fact that he (and the team) didn't make that crystal clear is a part of our difficulty in interpretation of everything else.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sword of Spirit, post: 6368587, member: 6677017"] On thing I think is really intended to be implied is that in a normal hide roll you aren't necessarily completely visually undetectable. You have something to hide behind (and we can make a nod to prior editions and allow that to be as little as half-cover it we want to), and you aren't intentionally making noise, and then your stealth check determines how well you manage to hide your visual and auditory presence. Ducking behind boxes, hiding behind a narrow (half cover tree) or blending into a crowd of people are all situations where completely blocking line of sight to all parts of your person is difficult, but where we can assume hiding is intended to be allowed. Just like your check determines how successfully you hide any auditory presence that your opponents might pick up on, it determines how well you hide your visual presence that they might pick up on. You are assumed to be peeking around corners, and I'd even allow you to move between boxes and stuff. Then it gets tricky after that, but I think Mike is thinking the way I wrote it above, and the fact that he (and the team) didn't make that crystal clear is a part of our difficulty in interpretation of everything else. [/QUOTE]

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