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<blockquote data-quote="Reynard" data-source="post: 3790037" data-attributes="member: 467">I don't think he is saying that D&amp;D can't or shouldn't evolve -- I think he is suggesting that such evolution means that D&amp;D is no longer D&amp;D from his perspective, that earlier editions or even other games will do D&amp;D better than 4E in that context, and that means that D&amp;D loses a fan and consumer and he loses D&amp;D.&nbsp; I happen to share that perspective.&nbsp; It doesn't matter if 4E is a &quot;better&quot; game; it doesn't matter if it is more balanced or provides for high octane, summer blockbuster action.&nbsp; Those things aren't D&amp;D, so the game 4E isn't better -- it is worse, &quot;bad&quot; even, because it is no longer D&amp;D.People that decide to get all defensive and snarky about those of us willing to share our misgivings about 4E need to realize that not everyone started playing with 3E, and not everyone wants the things that the 4E designers believe will make a &quot;better&quot;, and better selling, D&amp;D.&nbsp; Moreover, it is important to realize that we have an emotional investment in D&amp;D -- it has been part of our lives for a very long time.&nbsp; In some cases, the majority of our lives.&nbsp; Of course we are going to be put off and upset that a long loved hobby and form of entertainment is getting revised to the point of no longer being viable from our perspective.Also, I think it is important for everyone to remember that EN World is not a 4E community, or a 3E community.&nbsp; It is a D&amp;D community and telling people to &quot;not post&quot; about things they care about in relationship to D&amp;D is disingenuous and hurts the community.&nbsp; We might argue about how per-encounter abilities are awesome/teh suxxorz, but we can still discuss what makes a good campaign or how to build a great adventure or why dragons make great enemies.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reynard, post: 3790037, member: 467"] I don't think he is saying that D&D can't or shouldn't evolve -- I think he is suggesting that such evolution means that D&D is no longer D&D from his perspective, that earlier editions or even other games will do D&D better than 4E in that context, and that means that D&D loses a fan and consumer and he loses D&D. I happen to share that perspective. It doesn't matter if 4E is a "better" game; it doesn't matter if it is more balanced or provides for high octane, summer blockbuster action. Those things aren't D&D, so the game 4E isn't better -- it is worse, "bad" even, because it is no longer D&D. People that decide to get all defensive and snarky about those of us willing to share our misgivings about 4E need to realize that not everyone started playing with 3E, and not everyone wants the things that the 4E designers believe will make a "better", and better selling, D&D. Moreover, it is important to realize that we have an emotional investment in D&D -- it has been part of our lives for a very long time. In some cases, the majority of our lives. Of course we are going to be put off and upset that a long loved hobby and form of entertainment is getting revised to the point of no longer being viable from our perspective. Also, I think it is important for [i][b]everyone[/b][/i][b][/b] to remember that EN World is not a 4E community, or a 3E community. It is a D&D community and telling people to "not post" about things they care about in relationship to D&D is disingenuous and hurts the community. We might argue about how per-encounter abilities are awesome/teh suxxorz, but we can still discuss what makes a good campaign or how to build a great adventure or why dragons make great enemies. [/QUOTE]

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