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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3791981" data-attributes="member: 54846">I'm sure the immediate response is going to be something like "Humans can and have fallen from high places and survived." Of course. But did they stand up afterwards and slay a giant?Maybe it's just a stylistic play difference, but I just have trouble reasoning that the 20th fighter is just a Really Good Athlete when he's standing next to the guy who can summon an Elder Elemental, True Ressurect or throw around Miracles and the guy who can stop time and cast spells or can turn into a 20HD monster. Further, it's hard for me to believe that the only thing that seperates a 20th level fighter from a 1st level fighter is that the former has better gear and can attack 5 times. The system also supports this. To quote Dalamar's example:Allow me to use a literary example. Beowulf fought water monsters all night, and tore Grendel's arm off with his bare hands. And he almost single-handedly took down a dragon. I wouldn't put Conan and Tarzan in the 15+ category, but Beowulf I would. I don't think it's unreasonable to accept that after a certain point, the fighter, and nay all high level characters, are beyond the pale. That's what legendary heroes (Achilles, etc) become - beyond mere men.</blockquote>