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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8911136" data-attributes="member: 67338">1st I am trying to be pretty simplistic with my answers... I'm a numbers guy, I have been a sales and a customer service guy, I even (and god willing never again) been a retail guy... I am NOT even close to a law guy. I am saying hate speech as a catch all. I don't think having women take a -2 to str and a +2 to cha (cause chicks ain't strong but they are hawt) is dumb, should not be associated with D&D in 2023, but most likely is not Hate Speech but I WOULD want it shut down too.I am not 100% sold on races having traits like ability score mods is racisist... but the common zietguist says it is, and I will not argue it isn't. If that means some 3rdpp that puts out a book about dwarves with +2 con and -1 cha gets the book stopped I wont feel TOO bad. But again I'm not REALLY sure hate speech is the right term even if I am grouping it.Let me go 100% real example here... Book of Erotic Fantasy. I bought it at Gencon. I bought it cause I was a very immature kid in my 20's and got a laugh. I read it and found things I liked...  Today I am a VERY immature old man that still has that book and still sees value in it. there is a cantrip that I used in my worlds through out 3e and 4e... and ironicly enought WotC kind of brought back just for a subclass... there are also a dozen or so spells I use, a magic item or two. I THINK WotC got it wrong calling it out to be stopped. I think that it was ahead of it's time on being sex positive, and a;though it could for sure use some more play test and a few more passes in editing it has some good ideas. I was NOT then and I don't think NOW in anywhere close to the majority opionon on it... if it happened again it would be shut down and i would disagree with that. I am under no illusion that WotC is going to get this right 100%. I am under no illsuion that MY OWN thoughts on what should and should not be stopped will at some point magickly align with any company. So maybe the first 1 or 2 times they stop something I say "Darn, the BoEf was a good idea" or "I really like the eat the rich adventure" but I have to look at if it is reasonable that they disagree with me (and in both cases I think they were okaish to be as wrong as they were)I would prefer we avoid using language as loaded as WW2  so I will sit out this analogy but say lots of things I would have done different in power in the early 1900s... but like the above East the rich and book of erotic fantasy, I can understand why they (people in charge of USA Brittan, and other allied powers) did what they did even if I disagree. here is the thing... when they do super bad stuff (and they tried just now) we ALL agreed to stand up. We didn't all agree on what was the line they crossed... for some I am sure they only put there foot over the line. For a lot (I will include myself) they took several steps past that line. for still others (and I believe that this is where you fall) they ran past that line and can't even make it out when they turn they are so past it.They can't do there worst (say "all you guys are shut down cause we said so" without justification without blowing past that line again... maybe some of us would be willing to accept something before others... but that is the balanceing act we will force on them "How far can we push before we hit that wall?"I have kept an open mind, and moved my goal multi times. I however do NOT think it likely I will ever have my goal be as far as some here (and there are people worse... or at least saying worse on other social media) If we lined up 30 enworld members, and we all drew our lines in the sand, I would be VERY shocked to see more then 3-5 of us have the same line... BUT wotc DID push all 30 of us past them and now they are backing down (a bit) and some of us are saying "I can live with this"i find it funny that you would say that. when I am ignorant I ask questions. I always reserve the right to modify or out right change my stance based on new information.I have made modifications to my stance multi times this week.However not only have I been insulted for my stances... I have been insulted for my questions.... and called a 'flip flopper' or worse when I modify my stances based on new information or arguments. I also got blocked by someone after they presented me with evidence I had asked for... and I thanked them and changed my stance to be more in line (but still not exactly) with there own...so ignorant isn't what you think it is...what you call crumbs some of us call the point.if I make $200 a week. and you make $9,000 a week and both of us get our pays cut in half (so $100 me and $4,500 to you) and then we stand togather and fight... both geting no pay for a week, then the company comes back and says "We will give you guys back up to $300 a week to a max of where you were before"  I am made hole,,, I am back to making $200 a week. You how ever are now at $4.800 a week, It would be fair for YOU to call that scraps, and me to call it my point.In fact at that point I might point out YOU got more then I did... and if I can live at $200, it's no longer my fight for you to get more then $4,800, If a person broke in took my dog, my computer my TV and $10,000, and the police being OH SO HELPFUL took a report and told me they had next to no chance of finding out who did it... but then a mobster that likes me comes to me and says "Hey, I think I can get your dog and computer back...but I get to keep that 10k if you agree" it sucks... $10k would be most of my wedding savings... but my choices are limited. Should I take that deal? I don't know I think getting my dog back alone might be my biggest concern. Lets now say YOUR house go robbed too, and that same mobster gave you a similar offer... and YOU thought "I dont want those scraps, I want it all" We would BOTH be right no matter what we choose.</blockquote>

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