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<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8911253" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>I think it's because you have bad arguments that people feel the need to address in this situation. Also you keep posting, so people keep posting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, no one cares that you changed your mind on something when you still have bad opinions on the issues that matters. Again, not an inherent virtue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Did you turn on Wizards? Like, you didn't even get through a single revision of the OGL. You always came off as someone looking for an out. Again, you were defending the morality clause early.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who cares about what you are complaining about when you are giving in on the most important things? Again, you don't get points simply for the act of complaining. You seem to have this idea that there are inherent values to certain actions when there aren't: everything is defined by the details.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no fine-tuning a superlaser like that. Wizards has yet to change that and has explicitly argued for it. It's not going to give it up. Acting like it can be "fine-tuned" misses that it's unnecessary and simply dangerous to anyone who isn't part of Wizards.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm guessing they all aren't in EST, and also they think your opinions aren't great but you post a whole lot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You talked about Eat the Rich at the time it happened? And if you did, you realize you are just giving Wizards a bigger mandate to do stuff like that without any sort of guardrail or limitation?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because that person was trying to create a theoretical idea of how to make one work, which explicitly takes Wizards out of the equation. You're just actively advocating for Wizards to have it, which is very much not the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't claim that as a virtue, and while I have heard your "facts" I (like many) are thoroughly unconvinced by your reasoning, which largely relies on the ability to "fight later". This argument, especially coming from someone who barely fought at all, is very unconvincing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not, because no one really buys what you are saying as reflective of what I'm trying to get across. It's just a very weak effort to try and paint yourself as reasonable because you can't defend your point, and it's just not a good defense on its own because it assumes changing one's mind as an inherent virtue rather than based on the details of how and why it happened.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't trying to get much, to be honest. In fact, I could have stood getting less.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Already compromising <em>yet again</em>. You wonder why we don't take your call of "fight in the future" as a serious argument and it's because you are folding to a stiff breeze on royalties <em>in your own arguments. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f633.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" data-smilie="10"data-shortname=":oops:" /> </em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not actually assured, especially given what Wizards seems to think is its IP. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a very bad argument, especially for a company that has recently been attempting to breach contracts and also strong-arm small publishers via NDA and the OGL 1.1. I assume bad things will happen because Wizards has repeatedly been doing bad things, up to and including the last week. I'd be a moron to disregard their current actions when giving them more power, let alone something that could annihilate the 3PP market.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually didn't put you in the questions, you've just made a whole show and argument about the virtues of you personally changing your mind. It's why I said you can be a good and honest person with a terrible position.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We keep explaining to you in detail, but you keep coming back with stuff like "Don't just <em>assume </em>the company that has acted in bad faith recently will use this clause to act in bad faith!" It's not a good look, tbh.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, I can change my mind, it just really requires a lot in this case. When someone shows themselves as a dishonest liar it just really takes a lot to regain the lost trust... if it can be regain at all. Wizards has broken that trust thoroughly and I have not seen any action that shows contrition or remorse for what they have done. Rather, I see them continuing on their path.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We will! I expect not to be surprised.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8911253, member: 6778210"] I think it's because you have bad arguments that people feel the need to address in this situation. Also you keep posting, so people keep posting. I mean, no one cares that you changed your mind on something when you still have bad opinions on the issues that matters. Again, not an inherent virtue. Did you turn on Wizards? Like, you didn't even get through a single revision of the OGL. You always came off as someone looking for an out. Again, you were defending the morality clause early. Who cares about what you are complaining about when you are giving in on the most important things? Again, you don't get points simply for the act of complaining. You seem to have this idea that there are inherent values to certain actions when there aren't: everything is defined by the details. There's no fine-tuning a superlaser like that. Wizards has yet to change that and has explicitly argued for it. It's not going to give it up. Acting like it can be "fine-tuned" misses that it's unnecessary and simply dangerous to anyone who isn't part of Wizards. I'm guessing they all aren't in EST, and also they think your opinions aren't great but you post a whole lot. You talked about Eat the Rich at the time it happened? And if you did, you realize you are just giving Wizards a bigger mandate to do stuff like that without any sort of guardrail or limitation? Because that person was trying to create a theoretical idea of how to make one work, which explicitly takes Wizards out of the equation. You're just actively advocating for Wizards to have it, which is very much not the same. I didn't claim that as a virtue, and while I have heard your "facts" I (like many) are thoroughly unconvinced by your reasoning, which largely relies on the ability to "fight later". This argument, especially coming from someone who barely fought at all, is very unconvincing. It's not, because no one really buys what you are saying as reflective of what I'm trying to get across. It's just a very weak effort to try and paint yourself as reasonable because you can't defend your point, and it's just not a good defense on its own because it assumes changing one's mind as an inherent virtue rather than based on the details of how and why it happened. I wasn't trying to get much, to be honest. In fact, I could have stood getting less. Already compromising [I]yet again[/I]. You wonder why we don't take your call of "fight in the future" as a serious argument and it's because you are folding to a stiff breeze on royalties [I]in your own arguments. :oops: [/I] That is not actually assured, especially given what Wizards seems to think is its IP. This is a very bad argument, especially for a company that has recently been attempting to breach contracts and also strong-arm small publishers via NDA and the OGL 1.1. I assume bad things will happen because Wizards has repeatedly been doing bad things, up to and including the last week. I'd be a moron to disregard their current actions when giving them more power, let alone something that could annihilate the 3PP market. I actually didn't put you in the questions, you've just made a whole show and argument about the virtues of you personally changing your mind. It's why I said you can be a good and honest person with a terrible position. We keep explaining to you in detail, but you keep coming back with stuff like "Don't just [I]assume [/I]the company that has acted in bad faith recently will use this clause to act in bad faith!" It's not a good look, tbh. Oh, I can change my mind, it just really requires a lot in this case. When someone shows themselves as a dishonest liar it just really takes a lot to regain the lost trust... if it can be regain at all. Wizards has broken that trust thoroughly and I have not seen any action that shows contrition or remorse for what they have done. Rather, I see them continuing on their path. We will! I expect not to be surprised. [/QUOTE]
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