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I think it Might be the Mage; Not the Fighter that's broken
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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 4941032" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Only up to a point.</p><p></p><p>Under the old rules, most DMs ran it so that you'd go through the list, picking which spells you'd like to learn and making your Learn Spell roll. After all, it was presumed that your PC was an intelligent being who could do independent research as well- that focused list reflected teaching from known sources (mentors, colleagues, magical libraries, etc.) + your own research.</p><p></p><p>You'd keep rolling until you learned a number of spells equal to the number you were eligible to learn or tried learning every spell on that list and failed at the remainder with eligible slots left over.</p><p></p><p>After going through the ones you picked, you'd go to the full list and see which you were able to learn.</p><p></p><p>If you still rolled poorly and had slots left over, you'd get a chance to re-roll once you encountered a qualified spell you failed to learn in other sources- a.k.a. treasure- that "showed you a different way of learning the spell."</p><p></p><p>So, if you failed to learn a new 4th level spell and went adventuring with that slot in your spellbook open, you'd have the opportunity to learn a new 4th level spell while adventuring- even if it was one you had previously failed to learn. IOW, the additional info found in the version of the spell found in the loot gave your PC has a "Eureka!" moment and lets him fill that slot.</p><p></p><p>Some DMs, however, would rule that if it was a spell you'd failed learning before, you couldn't take another stab at it until you'd advanced another level.</p><p></p><p>To sum up, unless the DM actually barred certain spells outright, you'd still have the opportunity to learn any given spell with a Spellcraft roll. However, if you failed on your Spellcraft roll, learning that spell might be very difficult for you to do indeed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 4941032, member: 19675"] Only up to a point. Under the old rules, most DMs ran it so that you'd go through the list, picking which spells you'd like to learn and making your Learn Spell roll. After all, it was presumed that your PC was an intelligent being who could do independent research as well- that focused list reflected teaching from known sources (mentors, colleagues, magical libraries, etc.) + your own research. You'd keep rolling until you learned a number of spells equal to the number you were eligible to learn or tried learning every spell on that list and failed at the remainder with eligible slots left over. After going through the ones you picked, you'd go to the full list and see which you were able to learn. If you still rolled poorly and had slots left over, you'd get a chance to re-roll once you encountered a qualified spell you failed to learn in other sources- a.k.a. treasure- that "showed you a different way of learning the spell." So, if you failed to learn a new 4th level spell and went adventuring with that slot in your spellbook open, you'd have the opportunity to learn a new 4th level spell while adventuring- even if it was one you had previously failed to learn. IOW, the additional info found in the version of the spell found in the loot gave your PC has a "Eureka!" moment and lets him fill that slot. Some DMs, however, would rule that if it was a spell you'd failed learning before, you couldn't take another stab at it until you'd advanced another level. To sum up, unless the DM actually barred certain spells outright, you'd still have the opportunity to learn any given spell with a Spellcraft roll. However, if you failed on your Spellcraft roll, learning that spell might be very difficult for you to do indeed. [/QUOTE]
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