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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4497674" data-attributes="member: 11821">The rogue in my game does a significant amount of damage when she can flank (which is regularly, but not all the time), but tends to die quite a bit.&nbsp; Really, rogues just aren't that hard to hit.&nbsp; They don't have many HPs, and blow through their healing surges quickly.&nbsp; They're the glass cannons of 4e. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />If your DM starts putting more groups of creatures against you, I suspect you'll find the tables significantly turned.&nbsp; Additionally, ranged foes should tend to concentrate damage on anyone doing tons of damage.&nbsp; And, ironically, somewhat, minions are a rogue's bane.&nbsp; All that tasty damage just turns into a pointless surplus. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Try your group against a decent-sized group of Hobgoblins.&nbsp; I don't know your party size, but let's make this a level 3 encounter, and assume 6 characters.* 2 Hobgoblin soldiers (marking &amp; slowing with really high defenses, or using formation strike to set up/get out of flanks)* 2 Hobgoblin archers (keeping their distance, playing their special ping-pong)* 1 Hobgoblin subcommander (Hey, everyone shift 3!)* 4 Hobgoblin minions (spread around to help the Soldiers &amp; subcommander).It's a really tough fight, if your DM studies the hobgoblins' crazy teamwork tactics.-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4497674, member: 11821"] The rogue in my game does a significant amount of damage when she can flank (which is regularly, but not all the time), but tends to die quite a bit. Really, rogues just aren't that hard to hit. They don't have many HPs, and blow through their healing surges quickly. They're the glass cannons of 4e. :) If your DM starts putting more [I]groups[/I] of creatures against you, I suspect you'll find the tables significantly turned. Additionally, ranged foes should tend to concentrate damage on anyone doing tons of damage. And, ironically, somewhat, minions are a rogue's bane. All that tasty damage just turns into a pointless surplus. :) Try your group against a decent-sized group of Hobgoblins. I don't know your party size, but let's make this a level 3 encounter, and assume 6 characters. * 2 Hobgoblin soldiers (marking & slowing with really high defenses, or using formation strike to set up/get out of flanks) * 2 Hobgoblin archers (keeping their distance, playing their special ping-pong) * 1 Hobgoblin subcommander (Hey, everyone shift 3!) * 4 Hobgoblin minions (spread around to help the Soldiers & subcommander). It's a really tough fight, if your DM studies the hobgoblins' crazy teamwork tactics. -O [/QUOTE]

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