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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 567076" data-attributes="member: 518">Folks,Lots of good points here...good discussion1) DragonGirl, I also was in no way gearing this as a "women don't understand it" thing..simply that my wife who is a complete newbie was overwhelmed by sheer amount of rules. 2) I understand the financial aspect. However the difference now is that WOTC could easily produce as Geoffrey said a "core" book of 128 pages or so and use that as a bridge to drive the other books sales. The introductory set they ahve out now is IMO great for a newbie but is far from a good product to bridge the gap to the core books. A bridge product may not make them a ton of profit in the beginning,however I can't imagine that intro set they have now does either, and I certainly can't imagine it introduced a ton of new gamers to the hobby. It's essentially a board game with tokens that cannot really be "re-played". This is a far different product than the old Basic sets.3) Someone else mentioned all the "fast play" books, and Diablo boxed sets. There is no doubt these failed, as they too are horrible bridge products. The current intro game is essentially a "fast play" game.  Again the "feast or famine". TSR tried all kinds of wierd things to bring in gamers, CD's, Video's, etc. These don't work. However the old Basic Sets did. I suspect a majority of gamers started with OD&D or at the very least was the first product they purchased (but might have played the AD&D game as an introduction). The problem with TSR was that instead of using the Basic sets to bridge the gap as it was originally intended (and drive the advanced game core book sales), they later decided to turn it into it's own product line with as much,if not more material as the Advanced game. 5 boxed sets, a dozen gaz's, 20 modules for each boxed set, supplements...etc...Bad business decisions. TSR fractured it's own market by being..well..stupid.4) Who is John Wick?</blockquote>

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