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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PMárk" data-source="post: 6924700" data-attributes="member: 6804619">I wrote it on the SKT thread. For a setting book, neither is enough. The adventure + a 64 page supplement about the connected locations and NPCs that didn't get a significant role, thus word count in the adventure would be much better. IMO Paizo's model is just better. Also, Putting the setting material about roughly the same location in several different 250+ pages adventure instead of one place is just inferior. Also, locations and events in OotA are tied to the adventure itself, it's far from a general Underdark setting book. OotA + a complementary Underdark expansion would be okay.How much CoS is RL setting material: for me it's strictly not. It's a Barovia material, at best.Indeed, I'm not a business expert. I'm a reader and fan who see that lot smaller companies can do setting books, novels even and much more, while WotC could not. Honestly, you just strenghtened my notion that RPGs in general are better off in the hands of an independent and/or smaller company. Also, you have a myriad ways to fund and publish material. Print on demand, PDF, freelancing, licensing, kickstarting. You won't convince me that it is impossible to do it, when even Onyx Path, which is a lot smaller companies than White Wolf was could run a lot of full game lines and produce books. Yes they do t via kickstarting, freelancing and PoD, but i never said that I necessarily want big, full deluxe CGs on the shelves as the 3e FR CG was (although somehow different, much smaller companies could even do that - or at least you could order from them those beautiful books). I just want something. Also, am i really need to saying again and again that I didn't said I want the treadmill of old days? I honestly think you're just trolling at this point and this conversation is going nowhere. Oh, and I think 5e books quality and "premium product"-ness is just a waaaay overrated. Yes they have thick, shiny covers (and the ratio between covers and content is even comical in the case of SCAG) and paper. I'm not that enamored about the artworks in them, most of the APs and SCAG have largely boring arts, although SKT is quite good. I have tons of better-looking rpg books than 5e, although it is highly personal opinion which one is better. Also I'd rather have "lower quality" paper and less thick covers, even b&w artworks (which I quite like) but more material. Or more niche material in PoD via the DMsG. Honestly there are tons of options out there but you and some other people here acts as the current WotC business model would be the one and only True Way.So I'll never get "niche" material, only cheesburger from WotC. Fine. Then I'll stop going to that restaurant. I'm not a charity organization, I'm not obliged to support WotC. If WotC won't put out material I'm interested in, I'll stop buying their products and stop promoting it among my friends and acquaintances. You could rationalize it as you want, the end result from my viewpoint is still a more bland, more uninteresting product line and I don't want D&D to be that, because i like the game, loved the settings and the novels, but if it's inevitable, then good riddance to them!Yeah, "do your own" is the perfect answer, because WotC isn't the publisher of D&D, with paid game designers and writers, but I am. Oh, wait... Sorry, I don't have the time and energy to do everything myself, that's why I'd paid for that material. Should i wrote my own novels to read also, because WotC deemed the line "not profitable enough"?  And officialness isn't just about AL, but coherence, setting canon, less suspicion from GMs, etc. But I alread wrote THAt also. I'm not better off with 5 unofficial setting conversion than with 1 official, for a lot of reasons.Honestly, I'm just being more and more happy that we have companies like Paizo, Chaosium, Kobold Press, Onyx Path and also individual publishers who are still willing to support their games and settings with material outside a new big adventure book every half-a-year. My opinion, that WotC doesn't want to manage an rpg and novel line, they want to manage a brand is just gets more and more consolidated. The problem is: I want good rpg material and novels, not a brand. I won't buy a "brand" I'd buy specific products.</blockquote>

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