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<blockquote data-quote="Silverblade The Ench" data-source="post: 5300267" data-attributes="member: 19083"><p>1) I know TSR blew it, business wise, or WOTC would never have taken over. I'm not talking about their "business", folks, I'm talking about what was good for the community and for D&D </p><p>(D&D is not who owns it)</p><p></p><p>Too many # of items manufactured when they didn't need os many <em>copies of that specific item</em>, not checking which ones sold, and the damn Dragon Dice and book debacle' were what torpedoed 'em from what I recall.</p><p>etc etc.</p><p></p><p>2) They put out so much stuff they helped build our current community, fact whether ya like it or not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Folk saw stuff they as <em>individuals </em>liked, they bought, they played, they cared. You cannot produce a narrow line and generate that much interest back then of a very fringe product. </p><p>D&D is now know in some way by most folk in the West.</p><p></p><p>It was not a very culturally accepted thing to do nor was it "reblliously sexy", the reverse in fact, it was for "geeks" at best. </p><p>Now I'd say it's even more unacceptable in the UK than back then! </p><p>Reverse in US though, but I'd say in UK back then it was more a case of no one really cared, now though, youngsters have absuredly narrow limits on what their cultures accept, strangely enough</p><p></p><p>BBS and other online things were for a VERY small elite back then, do not kid yourself, majority of the world did not have any such, hell in 1988-89 it cost me over £1000 on ISP dial up Net charges 'cause they charged BY THE MINUTE in the UK. <em>Uuuuuugh </em><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>3) Art:</p><p>Hussar</p><p>4th ed are brilliant for practical useable layout, they have got that down great <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>for artwork...um, no, not ONE major piece I have seen in 4th ed is "classic".</p><p>Some of the 4th ed Dark Sun ones and a few others have been memorable, but do not hold a candle to 2nd ed days.</p><p></p><p>As said, some of the 4th ed artists have fantastic skills <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> For example, Wayne Reynolds does amazing detailed work he has tremendous skill, but I do not like the style one bit versus Elmore, Caldwell etc <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p>I've got Easley, Caldwell, Brom and ELmore posters, prints or art books, but not one of the 3rd/4th ed artists. Again not saying they arne't skilled, just the style blows for me :/</p><p></p><p>The big covers and internal artwork in 2nd ed, holy heck , they had amazing pieces!</p><p> </p><p>Erik Mona,</p><p>Don't you dare post blue Rorschach flumphs!! Damn that would be like the Far Realm in RL! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>4) Hey I KNOW how much stuff they came out with back then, I still have some of the TSR Catalogues <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>AD&D A4 folders, pencil tins, you name it.</p><p>they missed a possibility in breaking out into D&D condoms, though!</p><p><em>"The Burning Balrog!"..."The Blue Bulette!"..."The Wriggly Womb Wyrm!"..."The Rampant Remorhaz!"</em></p><p>ahem <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silverblade The Ench, post: 5300267, member: 19083"] 1) I know TSR blew it, business wise, or WOTC would never have taken over. I'm not talking about their "business", folks, I'm talking about what was good for the community and for D&D (D&D is not who owns it) Too many # of items manufactured when they didn't need os many [I]copies of that specific item[/I], not checking which ones sold, and the damn Dragon Dice and book debacle' were what torpedoed 'em from what I recall. etc etc. 2) They put out so much stuff they helped build our current community, fact whether ya like it or not ;) Folk saw stuff they as [I]individuals [/I]liked, they bought, they played, they cared. You cannot produce a narrow line and generate that much interest back then of a very fringe product. D&D is now know in some way by most folk in the West. It was not a very culturally accepted thing to do nor was it "reblliously sexy", the reverse in fact, it was for "geeks" at best. Now I'd say it's even more unacceptable in the UK than back then! Reverse in US though, but I'd say in UK back then it was more a case of no one really cared, now though, youngsters have absuredly narrow limits on what their cultures accept, strangely enough BBS and other online things were for a VERY small elite back then, do not kid yourself, majority of the world did not have any such, hell in 1988-89 it cost me over £1000 on ISP dial up Net charges 'cause they charged BY THE MINUTE in the UK. [I]Uuuuuugh [/I]:( 3) Art: Hussar 4th ed are brilliant for practical useable layout, they have got that down great :) for artwork...um, no, not ONE major piece I have seen in 4th ed is "classic". Some of the 4th ed Dark Sun ones and a few others have been memorable, but do not hold a candle to 2nd ed days. As said, some of the 4th ed artists have fantastic skills :) For example, Wayne Reynolds does amazing detailed work he has tremendous skill, but I do not like the style one bit versus Elmore, Caldwell etc :( I've got Easley, Caldwell, Brom and ELmore posters, prints or art books, but not one of the 3rd/4th ed artists. Again not saying they arne't skilled, just the style blows for me :/ The big covers and internal artwork in 2nd ed, holy heck , they had amazing pieces! Erik Mona, Don't you dare post blue Rorschach flumphs!! Damn that would be like the Far Realm in RL! :p 4) Hey I KNOW how much stuff they came out with back then, I still have some of the TSR Catalogues ;) AD&D A4 folders, pencil tins, you name it. they missed a possibility in breaking out into D&D condoms, though! [I]"The Burning Balrog!"..."The Blue Bulette!"..."The Wriggly Womb Wyrm!"..."The Rampant Remorhaz!"[/I] ahem ;) [/QUOTE]
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