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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8487288" data-attributes="member: 18">It was like new authors who didn't write in the grimdark style basically stopped being published for several years, though.I remember it pretty distinctly. And the authors which were grimdark were promoted and marketed vastly more aggressively than older authors who weren't, for that period. It definitely had a significant and long-term impact on the fantasy landscape. There are authors successful today, who had the whole &quot;grimdark&quot; thing not happened and been pushed by publishers, might never have been successful. There are others who it impacted the career of.And saying that &quot;the old stuff doesn't go away&quot; is totally wrong with fantasy particularly. Some stuff which was absolutely huge, earth-shatteringly influential, in the 1970s and earlier 1980s was basically close to forgotten by the 1990s, and is nearly completely forgotten now. Case in point, Michael Moorcock. He was a goddamn titan up into the early '80s, even non-fantasy critics and stuff were talking about him. Today? Most fantasy readers have never even heard of him, let alone read one of his books. He's a large part of the reason D&amp;D and Warhammer are the way they are, but you'll hear 30-somethings who've never heard of him blithely asserting both were influenced more or less solely by Tolkien (which with Warhammer particularly is just completely insane nonsense of the most ignorant kind - but then other 20-something and 30-something people slap each other on the back and all agree about about). It's a travesty but it's a thing that's already happened.Some fantasy stuff survives better (it's hard to predict which, it's certainly not related to how influential it is), but an awful lot of it absolutely does &quot;go away&quot;. Hell, hardly anyone under about 35 seems to have actually read any pulp fantasy at all apart from maybe a few Conan short stories if you're very lucky.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8487288, member: 18"] It was like [I]new[/I] authors who didn't write in the grimdark style basically stopped being published for several years, though. I remember it pretty distinctly. And the authors which were grimdark were promoted and marketed vastly more aggressively than older authors who weren't, for that period. It definitely had a significant and long-term impact on the fantasy landscape. There are authors successful today, who had the whole "grimdark" thing not happened and been pushed by publishers, might never have been successful. There are others who it impacted the career of. And saying that "the old stuff doesn't go away" is totally wrong with fantasy particularly. Some stuff which was absolutely huge, earth-shatteringly influential, in the 1970s and earlier 1980s was basically close to forgotten by the 1990s, and is nearly completely forgotten now. Case in point, Michael Moorcock. He was a goddamn titan up into the early '80s, even non-fantasy critics and stuff were talking about him. Today? Most fantasy readers have never even heard of him, let alone read one of his books. He's a large part of the reason D&D and Warhammer are the way they are, but you'll hear 30-somethings who've never heard of him blithely asserting both were influenced more or less solely by Tolkien (which with Warhammer particularly is just completely insane nonsense of the most ignorant kind - but then other 20-something and 30-something people slap each other on the back and all agree about about). It's a travesty but it's a thing that's already happened. Some fantasy stuff survives better (it's hard to predict which, it's certainly not related to how influential it is), but an awful lot of it absolutely does "go away". Hell, hardly anyone under about 35 seems to have actually read any pulp fantasy at all apart from maybe a few Conan short stories if you're very lucky. [/QUOTE]

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