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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8489343" data-attributes="member: 6915329">Except that there's nothing in D&D that suggests that the narrators are actually unreliable. We all know Gruumsh's story, but has there ever been a version told from the POV of the other gods?They were being mind-controlled, though. "A great elder brain and its mind flayers waited there, ready to take the next step in the subjugation of clan Duergar. The monsters had sent out a psychic lure that played on the dwarves' greed, and the never-ending work schedule that was the product of their obsession weeded out all but the best specimens for their slave pens."This rather suggests that dwarfs are at least a bit greedy in general (as is everyone, of course), and the Duergar were just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got caught. They only made a deal with Asmodeus in order to get out of many generations of slavery--meaning that Lawful Good Moradin either couldn't or wouldn't aid them.So again, punished for being tricked by an evil entity. And it's still punishing the children for the crimes of the parents. Even with the reincarnation angle, it's still a squicky to me.</blockquote>