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I think we can safely say that 5E is a success, but will it lead to a new Golden Era?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6357887" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That'd be re-hashing the edition war territory. </p><p></p><p>Suffice it to say that, while 5e is not selling any better than 4e and 3e did - it does not face many exogenous challenges that 4e did; and also, so far, doesn't have the benefit of the OGL that 3e did.</p><p></p><p>On balance, it should have it pretty easy. I suppose, at the outside, you could say that 5e has sacrificed any possibility of 'creative success' - of advancing the game in any way - in return for whatever 'success in the community' that can be claimed from the appeasement of edition warriors and consolidation of the fanbase around a game that seeks to be inoffensive rather than innovative. </p><p></p><p></p><p> That is probably what WotC is counting on. That D&D, no longer under any pressure to wildly out-perform financially, can consolidate it's old fan-base and avoid any negative controversy this time around. Perhaps they'll make another bid to make the game more modern and accessible, later, but atm, all they can do is hope for non-TTRPG aspects of the franchise to take off.</p><p></p><p> The satanism thing was already rolling when I started in 1980. </p><p></p><p> I honestly don't think so. The characters had a toe-hold in the mainstream long before the movies. The success of the movies, OTOH, owed a lot to CGI technology finally being enough to bring live-action superhero antics to the screen. </p><p></p><p>That could work for D&D, which centers much more on the frequent use of flashy magic than most other franchises in the same genre. But, it'd still need to be a lot more recognizeable to the mainstream to get that kind of movie /made/.</p><p></p><p> If they compete, RPGs have lost, big time. The video game industry is bigger than Hollywood. The RPG industry is smaller than a single feature film.</p><p></p><p> The 'splat attack' worked great for a long time. Modules, perforce, sell only to DMs, and players necessarily outnumber DMs, so selling adventures rather than splats is a losing proposition. OTOH, the splat-attack leads to rapid power inflation and ruins the game on a balance/playability level, so it's also a losing proposition, in the long run, forcing re-boots of the franchise. </p><p></p><p>There's just no way to 'win' without growing the market rather than selling to the same, slowly-shrinking fan-base who snaps up core books and quickly loses interests in supplements. But, that fan-base rages against anything that might make the game more accessible as "not D&D." A catch-22.</p><p></p><p>But, now that I think about it, all that re-enforces the idea that D&D's hope is in other media - movies, video games, whatever - is actually a pretty solid one. WotC need only appease it's base so that it won't actively turn against it, again, and it's free to try to grow the franchise in areas where there is opportunity to do so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6357887, member: 996"] That'd be re-hashing the edition war territory. Suffice it to say that, while 5e is not selling any better than 4e and 3e did - it does not face many exogenous challenges that 4e did; and also, so far, doesn't have the benefit of the OGL that 3e did. On balance, it should have it pretty easy. I suppose, at the outside, you could say that 5e has sacrificed any possibility of 'creative success' - of advancing the game in any way - in return for whatever 'success in the community' that can be claimed from the appeasement of edition warriors and consolidation of the fanbase around a game that seeks to be inoffensive rather than innovative. That is probably what WotC is counting on. That D&D, no longer under any pressure to wildly out-perform financially, can consolidate it's old fan-base and avoid any negative controversy this time around. Perhaps they'll make another bid to make the game more modern and accessible, later, but atm, all they can do is hope for non-TTRPG aspects of the franchise to take off. The satanism thing was already rolling when I started in 1980. I honestly don't think so. The characters had a toe-hold in the mainstream long before the movies. The success of the movies, OTOH, owed a lot to CGI technology finally being enough to bring live-action superhero antics to the screen. That could work for D&D, which centers much more on the frequent use of flashy magic than most other franchises in the same genre. But, it'd still need to be a lot more recognizeable to the mainstream to get that kind of movie /made/. If they compete, RPGs have lost, big time. The video game industry is bigger than Hollywood. The RPG industry is smaller than a single feature film. The 'splat attack' worked great for a long time. Modules, perforce, sell only to DMs, and players necessarily outnumber DMs, so selling adventures rather than splats is a losing proposition. OTOH, the splat-attack leads to rapid power inflation and ruins the game on a balance/playability level, so it's also a losing proposition, in the long run, forcing re-boots of the franchise. There's just no way to 'win' without growing the market rather than selling to the same, slowly-shrinking fan-base who snaps up core books and quickly loses interests in supplements. But, that fan-base rages against anything that might make the game more accessible as "not D&D." A catch-22. But, now that I think about it, all that re-enforces the idea that D&D's hope is in other media - movies, video games, whatever - is actually a pretty solid one. WotC need only appease it's base so that it won't actively turn against it, again, and it's free to try to grow the franchise in areas where there is opportunity to do so. [/QUOTE]
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