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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 6358241" data-attributes="member: 6716779">And d20 based retroclones are even easier to teach to new players than 4E. Castles and Crusades or Basic Fantasy for example. Vancian is somewhat simple to teach to new players as well although they may not know what the good spells and combinations are. 4E adds a level of complexity and buries newbs in options bloat. BECMI pick a class, AD&D pick a class and race, 3rd ed pick class, race, feats and skills, 4E pick class, race, feats, skills and powers. Game went from 1 step to pick 5 steps and there are literally millions of options with 4th ed at level 1. Probably why in the starter set you have 5 options to pick from. 4E was horrible on multiple fronts except really for a subset of hard core D&D players and it seems it sold less than every version of D&D apart from OD&D. Mein gott the healing surges, grid based nature of it and powers made the game a boring grind fest and that is before you ask yourself "is this what I want from D&D".</blockquote>