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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Morty" data-source="post: 6360960" data-attributes="member: 6778261">I'm frankly getting tired of "you just don't want D&D, go play something else" arguments, so I think I'm going to address actual rebuttals to my ideas. It's mostly that I think they ought to stack - not infinitely, since that way lies madness, but this way two sources of advantage/disadvantage won't boil down to re-rolling only once anyway.  What I mean is, bounded accuracy is good in principle - 3e shows us that letting flat numerical bonuses run rampant results in a big mess. Exalted shows us how it applies to a different method of rolling. So that's great. But what I think should follow from bounded accuracy is expressing increasing competence with new abilities that let you do something new instead of just numbers. Look at the fighting style choices - the Protector style lets you do something you otherwise couldn't, lacklustre as it is. The others just give you small numbers.  Exactly. It's not D&D without classes, that much we can all agree on. If you can't say "I'm a level 10 Dwarf Cleric", it's not D&D. But a class-based system needs to be thought through to make the most use of whatever classes are decided on.  I'll admit, I think that buffet-style multi-classing just isn't a terribly good idea. Sub-classes, hybrid classes and feats that give you a measure of ability from a different power source are a much better way... as long as it's all consistent. Maybe it wasn't the best word, I suppose. What I mean is, HP and AC are flat and don't offer much beyond 'roll over AC, roll for damage'. There's just not a lot of room for a fun and engaging combat here.  And balance is not what I'm talking about. It's an over-used term, anyway. It's about empowerment, variety and interaction with the system. All a fighter can do is interact with the rules the same way every round, regardless of their combat method - they deal damage. The Battlemaster provides a smattering of variety. A rogue uses the same skills everyone uses, only with better numbers, and deals damage in a somewhat different way than a fighter or barbarian. Meanwhile, a wizard or cleric would increase in power even if you stripped all their class features and numerical increases, simply because they get new spells.Spell-casters still need to dig through pages of spells. Anyway, ease of use and introduction is a fine goal, I just can't see much merit in making it the first and foremost goal everything else is sacrificed for.</blockquote>

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