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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6361074" data-attributes="member: 996">Obviously, people can play a game however they like, and make whatever claims they like on the internet. (And also snip a quote out of context to make it sound like a sweeping generalization.)  One persons experiences, however considerable, is just a set of anecdotes, so are several persons' recountings of what they remember from 30+ years ago.  So lets set all the unverifiable anonymous anecdotes and revisionist history aside, and actually look at something that at least some of us can dig out of a box and crack open:Look at the game itself from those days.  0D&D came right out and called itself a wargame, for use with miniature figures, right on the cover.  AD&D's rules were still very much those of such a game, with everything in scale inches, dicing for initiative, and checking morale and on and on.  And there's no dispute that D&D grew out of Chainmail, a medieval wargame.  And, really, so what if someone played a wargame without minis in 1983?  The game didn't become any more or less suited to that sort of play over time.  Other games have come and gone that really did emphasize 'TotM' and actually provide workable rules that facilitate it.  13A is a recent example.  Whether it's a 2e fan accusing 3e of being grid-dependent or a 3e fan making the same accusation at 4e, or a 5e enthusiast reveling over how TotM-friendly 5e is (without specifying whether that's in contrast to 2e C&T, 3e or 4e or something else), it's a lot of nonsense.  There's virtually nothing to choose from among the various eds of D&D in that regard.  They all have rules for range, area, movement and positioning that are too granular to be convenient in TotM - 4e's, ironically, with squares as the unit of granularity and chunky cubes for most AES, actually presenting the slightly lesser obstacle in that regard.</blockquote>

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