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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gundark" data-source="post: 6367515" data-attributes="member: 6148">There are also Pathfinder fans out there who want it to fail. They hate WotC and/or they feel threatened that their favourite game might slip down in popularity. These individuals are choosing to ignore/downplay any sort of positive review or any sort of sales data. They feel that any popularity is just a short lived spike and that 5e will quickly crawl into the corner and die quietly. Time will tell I suppose but there is a different feel out there in the "internet wilderness" regarding 5e.Heck, there are 4e fans that want 5e to fail miserably too. 5e coming out so soon is validation for a lot of the 4e haters I can understand that something you enjoyed didn't have legs to last long term.I should say I'm not pointing out anybody on this thread, just a general observation after watching 5e discussion across several message boards.</blockquote>