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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack99" data-source="post: 4581075" data-attributes="member: 53135">There was absolutely neither snideness nor wit in my post. And since you claim that I speak of things I do not know, let me present my facts.My 14th level rogue does 1d8+3d8+10+5 (average 33) on a basic attack, with sneak. If he had spent 0 feats on improving his damage, he would still be doing 1d4+3d6+8+5 (average 25). Now granted, not all characters will be doing that kind of damage. But assuming the ranger and warlock spend just one or two feats on damage (since it is their job, after all), all three strikers will be doing >20 damage regularly on at-wills, and just about every time on encounter powers. Hardly what I would call "extreme".Fighters can get there easily too, with a lot of feats/items to improve their basic/OA attack. Now granted, it's a little harder since they do not have all that extra striker damage, but they usually use a larger die, which helps them out a bit. The larger die certainly ensures that at least their encounter powers go over 20 in average.Example: A fighter will have around +12 damage without spending feats on anything special, and with just a appropriate magic weapon. Add potent challenge feat and those bracers, and you are looking at around +17 damage when using the combat challenge. With a 1d8 or higher die, you are looking at 20+ damage for a basic attack.So, while my comments are made from anecdotal evidence, so were yours certainly.</blockquote>

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