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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1909393" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>No, I do understand your point. I don't think it has any relevance, however, because I don't think you understand the questions you're asking.</p><p></p><p>Bold claim, but I'll back it up.</p><p></p><p>First, you are making the most common error when discussing alignment. You look at an effect, and try to determine whether or not that effect is Evil, or Chaotic, or whatever.</p><p></p><p>That's the wrong question.</p><p></p><p>The question, instead, is "Why would a Chaotic individual desire or support such an idea?," as distinct from "Why would a Lawful individual desire or support such an idea?"</p><p></p><p>For instance ...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Both, of course. Because, again, it's the wrong question. A Chaotic individual might desire such a thing because it limits what other people can enforce on his "free will."</p><p></p><p>A Lawful individual might desire such a thing because it sets down an objective standard of codified behaviour - that which is allowed, as well as that which is disallowed.</p><p></p><p>A Neutral individual might see the benefit of restricting certain forms of self-expression in order to have the freedoms he or she desires.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Both, again. A Chaotic individual might believe in a *truly* independent judiciary (perhaps even so far as a single and inviolate judge, jury, and executioner) because an individual can be reasoned with, can be reached on emotion, and can empathize more effectively with the accused / accusees. Thus, the ability for any given "court" to step outside the bounds of constraints laid down by others, far away and removed from the situation, is desirable.</p><p></p><p>A Lawful individual might see the need for a group to be set aside so that, amongst themselves, they might eliminate the caprice of emotional response that can so often cloud the rational mind. This select group would have the responsibility to oversee the way in which society is governed, to ensure that it followed the rational course, that the knee-jerk, emotional responses of others were not allowed to disrupt the machinery of state.</p><p></p><p>Etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1909393, member: 23094"] No, I do understand your point. I don't think it has any relevance, however, because I don't think you understand the questions you're asking. Bold claim, but I'll back it up. First, you are making the most common error when discussing alignment. You look at an effect, and try to determine whether or not that effect is Evil, or Chaotic, or whatever. That's the wrong question. The question, instead, is "Why would a Chaotic individual desire or support such an idea?," as distinct from "Why would a Lawful individual desire or support such an idea?" For instance ... Both, of course. Because, again, it's the wrong question. A Chaotic individual might desire such a thing because it limits what other people can enforce on his "free will." A Lawful individual might desire such a thing because it sets down an objective standard of codified behaviour - that which is allowed, as well as that which is disallowed. A Neutral individual might see the benefit of restricting certain forms of self-expression in order to have the freedoms he or she desires. Both, again. A Chaotic individual might believe in a *truly* independent judiciary (perhaps even so far as a single and inviolate judge, jury, and executioner) because an individual can be reasoned with, can be reached on emotion, and can empathize more effectively with the accused / accusees. Thus, the ability for any given "court" to step outside the bounds of constraints laid down by others, far away and removed from the situation, is desirable. A Lawful individual might see the need for a group to be set aside so that, amongst themselves, they might eliminate the caprice of emotional response that can so often cloud the rational mind. This select group would have the responsibility to oversee the way in which society is governed, to ensure that it followed the rational course, that the knee-jerk, emotional responses of others were not allowed to disrupt the machinery of state. Etc. [/QUOTE]
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