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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 1916844" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>No. Because the rogue is still a rogue after he hits the zombie. Operationally, the paladin is no longer a paladin after he turns evil. Similarly, a druid is no longer a druid if his alignment changes to chaotic good, for instance. </p><p></p><p>I am not arguing that the smite evil ability proscribes a paladin from attacking neutral creatures. But I am arguing that the alignment requirement for the class functions to proscribe the paladin from becoming evil. See the difference? </p><p></p><p>To argue that a special class ability not applying universally to all situations is somehow equivalent to losing every single ability associated with the class if a certain threshold is crossed is not tenable here.</p><p></p><p>Note that I am talking about the operational functioning of a rule. Evidence shows that the operational function of a paladin's alignment requirement does actually proscribe certain behaviours.</p><p></p><p>On an operational level, it is never an efficient or rational choice for a paladin to change his alignment. It is never an efficient or rational choice for a druid to change his alignment to a non-neutral one. Because it is <em>never</em> an efficient or rational thing to do, it is proscriptive.</p><p></p><p>You cannot similarly argue that it is never rational for a ranger to attack a creature who is not a favoured enemy. There are all kinds of situations in which such an act is rational. Similarly, there are all kinds of situations in which it is rational for a rogue to attack undead creatures.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I might argue that if the rule said, "a ranger loses all spells and class abilities and can no longer advance as a ranger if he attacks a creature other than his favoured enemy," that this was the case. But the ranger does not <em>lose</em> anything by attack a non-favoured enemy. Don't you think that's a pretty substantive difference?</p><p></p><p>You see, swrushing, we are talking about the operational effects of a rule. If such a discussion is not one you actually wish to entertain, that's fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 1916844, member: 7240"] No. Because the rogue is still a rogue after he hits the zombie. Operationally, the paladin is no longer a paladin after he turns evil. Similarly, a druid is no longer a druid if his alignment changes to chaotic good, for instance. I am not arguing that the smite evil ability proscribes a paladin from attacking neutral creatures. But I am arguing that the alignment requirement for the class functions to proscribe the paladin from becoming evil. See the difference? To argue that a special class ability not applying universally to all situations is somehow equivalent to losing every single ability associated with the class if a certain threshold is crossed is not tenable here. Note that I am talking about the operational functioning of a rule. Evidence shows that the operational function of a paladin's alignment requirement does actually proscribe certain behaviours. On an operational level, it is never an efficient or rational choice for a paladin to change his alignment. It is never an efficient or rational choice for a druid to change his alignment to a non-neutral one. Because it is [i]never[/i] an efficient or rational thing to do, it is proscriptive. You cannot similarly argue that it is never rational for a ranger to attack a creature who is not a favoured enemy. There are all kinds of situations in which such an act is rational. Similarly, there are all kinds of situations in which it is rational for a rogue to attack undead creatures. I might argue that if the rule said, "a ranger loses all spells and class abilities and can no longer advance as a ranger if he attacks a creature other than his favoured enemy," that this was the case. But the ranger does not [i]lose[/i] anything by attack a non-favoured enemy. Don't you think that's a pretty substantive difference? You see, swrushing, we are talking about the operational effects of a rule. If such a discussion is not one you actually wish to entertain, that's fine. [/QUOTE]
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