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Message: <blockquote data-quote="atom crash" data-source="post: 1997822" data-attributes="member: 22162">I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I think what you're saying is basically you can't flank an opponent unless you receive a flanking bonus.I'm arguing that you can flank even in cases when you don't receive a flanking bonus. In ever case that you get a flanking bonus, you are flanking. But in every case of flanking, you don't always necessarily get a flanking bonus.All squares are rectangles. But not all rectangles are squares.I don't have my PHB handy, so I don't know if it provides a better definiton of flanking. So I looked to the SRD instead. It told me that I get a flanking bonus if I make a melee attack on someone if I stand next to them opposite another attacker who is threatening them (with a melee weapon, by the definition of "threaten").But no definition of "flanking." Just an explanation of when I get a "flanking bonus."So next I look to the glossary on the Wizards Web site. It tells me that "flanking" is when I am directly on the other side of a character who is being threatened by another character. It doesn't specify that I (or "you" by the book) have to threaten. Merely that a)I'm on one side and b) someone on the other side is threatening.Thus I contend that I can flank even when I don't get a flanking bonus.</blockquote>