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I thought back stab was a full action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1997965" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>No, it doesn't. It says, literally, that you must make a melee attack in order to get a bonus on your attack roll from flanking.</p><p></p><p>Logically, you need to be flanking in order to get a flanking bonus. Equally as supported, however, is that you needn't get the bonus in order to be flanking. At least, not necessarily.</p><p></p><p>Thus, a Rogue 30' away from a spider could technically be considered as flanking the spider, so long as there was a Fighter on the other side of the spider. Note that, the way the rules are written, the Fighter doesn't even have to be threatening the spider.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that the only place threatening the opponent enters into the equation is when determining whether or not you get a bonus on your to-hit roll, and even then it only requires that your ally be threatening - not that you must be (this is good, otherwise you wounldn't get a +2 when making an unarmed strike without the IUS feet).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This, however, opens up the definition of flanking perhaps more than the designers might have wished; however, it might have opened it up exactly as far as they wished, since they *did* change the text in the 3.0 to 3.5 revision.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Used to require, actually. Now, it's less certain. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1997965, member: 23094"] No, it doesn't. It says, literally, that you must make a melee attack in order to get a bonus on your attack roll from flanking. Logically, you need to be flanking in order to get a flanking bonus. Equally as supported, however, is that you needn't get the bonus in order to be flanking. At least, not necessarily. Thus, a Rogue 30' away from a spider could technically be considered as flanking the spider, so long as there was a Fighter on the other side of the spider. Note that, the way the rules are written, the Fighter doesn't even have to be threatening the spider. Note that the only place threatening the opponent enters into the equation is when determining whether or not you get a bonus on your to-hit roll, and even then it only requires that your ally be threatening - not that you must be (this is good, otherwise you wounldn't get a +2 when making an unarmed strike without the IUS feet). This, however, opens up the definition of flanking perhaps more than the designers might have wished; however, it might have opened it up exactly as far as they wished, since they *did* change the text in the 3.0 to 3.5 revision. Used to require, actually. Now, it's less certain. :D [/QUOTE]
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