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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1998556" data-attributes="member: 23094">For example, consider the state &quot;Invisible.&quot;Now, when you are invisible, your opponents are denied their Dexterity bonus to AC and you get a +2 on your attack rolls.If Invisible, Then +2_Attack &amp;&amp; Deny_DexIf A, Then B and CRight?&nbsp; With me so far?Similarly:If Flanking, Then&nbsp; Sneak_Attack_OK &amp;&amp; +2_Melee_AttackSo, once again:If A, Then B and CNow, let's look at what happens when someone with who is invisible goes up against someone with Uncanny Dodge.Uh oh ...&nbsp; You're invisible, so your target loses it's Dexterity bonus, right?&nbsp; Except, now they don't.So, where we once had:If A, Then B and Cwe only haveIf A, Then BWould you then argue that, because all the benefits of the invisible condition are not realized, that our player is now no longer invisible?&nbsp; No, of course not.&nbsp; They just don't get all the benefits of their condition.Apply that now to Flanking.Does your answer change?&nbsp; If so, why?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1998556, member: 23094"] For example, consider the state "Invisible." Now, when you are invisible, your opponents are denied their Dexterity bonus to AC and you get a +2 on your attack rolls. If Invisible, Then +2_Attack && Deny_Dex If A, Then B and C Right? With me so far? Similarly: If Flanking, Then Sneak_Attack_OK && +2_Melee_Attack So, once again: If A, Then B and C Now, let's look at what happens when someone with who is invisible goes up against someone with Uncanny Dodge. Uh oh ... You're invisible, so your target loses it's Dexterity bonus, right? Except, now they don't. So, where we once had: If A, Then B and C we only have If A, Then B Would you then argue that, because all the benefits of the invisible condition are not realized, that our player is now no longer invisible? No, of course not. They just don't get all the benefits of their condition. Apply that now to Flanking. Does your answer change? If so, why? [/QUOTE]

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