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I thought back stab was a full action?
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<blockquote data-quote="atom crash" data-source="post: 2000069" data-attributes="member: 22162"><p>Deep breath. Count to 10.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't suggest throwing out the RotG because of another error in a different source (written by the same person btw). I suggest you look more closely at the information provided by that source given the fact that it has been inaccurate before. When, upon looking more closely at that source, I propose it be thrown out because it is based on the 3.0 wording of flanking rather than the 3.5 wording of flanking. If the source has been wrong before, you must entertain the idea that it can be wrong here. I don't think you're willing to do that.</p><p></p><p>If Chicken Little is crying the "sky is falling" and the little boy is crying "Wolf," is it time to head inside with the flock of sheep?</p><p></p><p>Has the 3.5 FAQ been referenced here? I looked through that thing, even did a search for the term "flank," but I didn't find a relevent entry.</p><p></p><p>Also, look again at the glossary definition of flanking, which is also on p. 308 of the 3.5 PHB. Is this not a core rules source?</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Flank</strong>: To be directly on the other side of a character who is being threatened by another character. A flanking attacker gains a +2 flanking bonus on attack rolls against the defender. A rogue can sneak attack a defender that she is flanking."</p><p></p><p>So, the core rules doesn't disagree with me. It says that in order to flank, I have to be on one side of an opponent being threatened by another character. It says a rogue can sneak attack while flanking. it inplies that a rogue can sneak attack even when she doesn't get the flanking bonus. The logical extension is that you can flank even when you don't get a flanking bonus. </p><p></p><p>The flanking bonus indicates a melee attack, but it is not a definition of flanking, just a description of the modifiers to combat provided by the condition of flanking.</p><p></p><p>The FAQ gives no help in this matter. The Rules of the Game, an unreliable source, supports your position. BTW, this is the ONLY source that specifically says "You can't flank with a ranged weapon." And I think it's wrong (see reason above, and in 3 or 4 other responses in this thread).</p><p></p><p>Is there another source I'm leaving out?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="atom crash, post: 2000069, member: 22162"] Deep breath. Count to 10. I don't suggest throwing out the RotG because of another error in a different source (written by the same person btw). I suggest you look more closely at the information provided by that source given the fact that it has been inaccurate before. When, upon looking more closely at that source, I propose it be thrown out because it is based on the 3.0 wording of flanking rather than the 3.5 wording of flanking. If the source has been wrong before, you must entertain the idea that it can be wrong here. I don't think you're willing to do that. If Chicken Little is crying the "sky is falling" and the little boy is crying "Wolf," is it time to head inside with the flock of sheep? Has the 3.5 FAQ been referenced here? I looked through that thing, even did a search for the term "flank," but I didn't find a relevent entry. Also, look again at the glossary definition of flanking, which is also on p. 308 of the 3.5 PHB. Is this not a core rules source? "[B]Flank[/B]: To be directly on the other side of a character who is being threatened by another character. A flanking attacker gains a +2 flanking bonus on attack rolls against the defender. A rogue can sneak attack a defender that she is flanking." So, the core rules doesn't disagree with me. It says that in order to flank, I have to be on one side of an opponent being threatened by another character. It says a rogue can sneak attack while flanking. it inplies that a rogue can sneak attack even when she doesn't get the flanking bonus. The logical extension is that you can flank even when you don't get a flanking bonus. The flanking bonus indicates a melee attack, but it is not a definition of flanking, just a description of the modifiers to combat provided by the condition of flanking. The FAQ gives no help in this matter. The Rules of the Game, an unreliable source, supports your position. BTW, this is the ONLY source that specifically says "You can't flank with a ranged weapon." And I think it's wrong (see reason above, and in 3 or 4 other responses in this thread). Is there another source I'm leaving out? [/QUOTE]
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