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I thought back stab was a full action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 2000107" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>That's how I see it as well, actually.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The +2 flanking bonus, there is no other one. But that flanking bonus is only limited to melee attacks, if you accept the first paragraph of the flanking rule as the actual rule and the later part, which I quoted above, as a clarification (which, in all honesty, it must be (because otherwise you would have this ridiculous case, that big creatures get the bonus with ranged attacks, but small creatures do not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. It's quite obvious, that it cannot be meant any other way, really.</p><p></p><p>Reading it as a seperate rule (or as an overwrite as you put it) would be quite silly. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>The same holds true for the part you refer to all the time. It also does not mention the "melee attack" specifically, yet it clearly references the first paragraph...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, only if you are in doubt, whether two friendly characters flank an opponent in melee combat while they are both threatening the target from opposite sites (in short: in the middle), only then you go on and read what the rest of that part says... it's not a seperate rule, it's just a clarification for the first paragraph.</p><p></p><p>The melee attack is not mentioned, because it does not have to, since the first paragraph already made clear that getting a flanking bonus and thus flanking only ever appears in melee combat.</p><p></p><p>It's the same for both the later paragraphs, the one with the imaginary line and the one with bigger creatures. Both are just clarifications for the rule, which is written in the first paragraph.</p><p></p><p>Both later paragraphs refer to flanking, while the first one does not, yet it should be clear enough from the context, that this flanking is not what you seem to think it is, but rather a modifier, which only ever appears in melee combat.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 2000107, member: 478"] That's how I see it as well, actually. The +2 flanking bonus, there is no other one. But that flanking bonus is only limited to melee attacks, if you accept the first paragraph of the flanking rule as the actual rule and the later part, which I quoted above, as a clarification (which, in all honesty, it must be (because otherwise you would have this ridiculous case, that big creatures get the bonus with ranged attacks, but small creatures do not ;))). Yeah. It's quite obvious, that it cannot be meant any other way, really. Reading it as a seperate rule (or as an overwrite as you put it) would be quite silly. :) The same holds true for the part you refer to all the time. It also does not mention the "melee attack" specifically, yet it clearly references the first paragraph... So, only if you are in doubt, whether two friendly characters flank an opponent in melee combat while they are both threatening the target from opposite sites (in short: in the middle), only then you go on and read what the rest of that part says... it's not a seperate rule, it's just a clarification for the first paragraph. The melee attack is not mentioned, because it does not have to, since the first paragraph already made clear that getting a flanking bonus and thus flanking only ever appears in melee combat. It's the same for both the later paragraphs, the one with the imaginary line and the one with bigger creatures. Both are just clarifications for the rule, which is written in the first paragraph. Both later paragraphs refer to flanking, while the first one does not, yet it should be clear enough from the context, that this flanking is not what you seem to think it is, but rather a modifier, which only ever appears in melee combat. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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