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Message: <blockquote data-quote="haakon1" data-source="post: 3564863" data-attributes="member: 25619">Indeed.  A party where all four die is a party that stuck around at least 3 round too long.It's a bit like running a WWII adventure, having the platoon fire a bazooka at the Panther IV's frontal armor, and deciding it's unfair that it "can't" be destroyed.  It of course can, it just requires better tactics (run away, run away and call an airstrike, get it in the bottom, rear, or treads instead of the frontal armor, etc.) rather than standing up straight to die instantly.To put it another way, the problem here was a combination of 1st level characters and 1st level players . . . a seasoned NPC guide or tavern dweller to tell them what a ogre was and how it torn up a whole village militia back 12 seasons ago, yadda yadda, might have saved their lives.1st & 2nd level D&D is great fun, as it's a great adventure where death lies behind any false moves.  It actually requires more talented and daring play than higher level ubermunchkin build-playing.Nod, a ranger is a lot weaker than a fighter, barbarian, or paladin, among other reasons because they tend to hang back and don't take the meatshield role.  A party with no meatshield is in trouble.</blockquote>