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Message: <blockquote data-quote="twofalls" data-source="post: 3565409" data-attributes="member: 23718">I find it hilarious the range of assumptions that are tacked on when little to no information is initially given to support them, but I suppose that is the nature of public postings. The four players in question are vetran gamers, very experienced with many systems and all very bright and educated adults. I've likely been running games longer than many posters here have been alive, not that either of those facts makes us defacto experts in all things game related, but neither is anyone here failing in this scenario due to lack of experience or ability.I stated earlier that the CR system is a failure, I didn't add "for me". My mistake. Obviously some posters here feel that it has merit and usefulness for them.To answer the question posted about the ability to dodge the encounter and continue on, no, the entrance to the adventure is neatly funnelled right through the Ogres den. Of course that is easily changed in play by simply editing the map and adding an alternate route into the cave complex... but we decided to see if the Ogre really could be beaten, hence the repeated attempts.The mechanics used to represent the stalagtites and mites in the cave were very simple and favored the PC's if they used medium or small weapons. A flat -2 to hit using any large weapon, and I gave half cover to anyone subjected to a missile attack (which was not part of the encounter as written). To the person who pointed out that by giving each person of my party a special item to start the game with, you are right, that would skew the CR system in favor of the PC's... this was not meant to be an exhaustive examination of the CR system, we were just playing around with it a bit, and it failed us in this situaition for a host of reasons that the posters here have been kind to point out. Again I thank you all for your ideas and observations.</blockquote>

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