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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 4440000" data-attributes="member: 7635">I need to get this off my chest.My name is Remathilis, and I used to like third edition. A lot. We had some fun times. We had some great games. I ran a successful 3.5 game in Eberron for two years before putting it down to try fourth. There were some complaints I had with the system, but I've ALWAYS complained about D&D. Overall, I was fairly happy with D&D. Fourth edition changed that. At first, I was apprehensive. I wasn't completely sold on Bo9S-styled fighters, or wizards having encounter-based magic. I wasn't sure of warlords replacing bards, or tieflings in the core. Or many of the monster changes. Or what they did to the Realms. However, I found I rarely got to voice my misgivings because while I generally found improvements in the system, I found myself defending fourth edition.A lot.Here. On WotC Forums. In my own gaming group. The attacks were usually the same, you know them by heart. Slowly, I found two things began to happen.1.) I found myself defending EVERY SINGLE CHANGE fourth edition made. From tieflings to warlords, to fighters with dailies, and the Spellplague. 2.) I found myself drawn more-and-more into finding the faults with third edition. While I never liked the 15-minute workday when it happened in my games (and to be fair, it didn't happen constantly, but it did enough) I found it intolerable in the lead up to 4e. I found CR/XP tabulating a chore I'd put off until literally the last moment ("Did we get any Xp from last week?") Every debate I had online or in-person, I found my steel resolved. 3e was broken, 4e was the solution. Pathfinder got a casual once-over, but "it didn't go far enough." Everything 3e that 4e didn't leave or fix was wrong. It got to the point PLAYING 3.5 was unplatable, DMing it again made my stomach nauseous.Sigh. What have I become? Generally speaking, I still like fourth edition and find it easy to play, easier to DM, and a lot of fun. I said the same thing about 3e eight years ago. I WANT to like 3e again; to get the joy out of it that I did before 4dventure took over. I'm just tired of having to defend fourth while simultaneously dissecting third to prove my "point".Anyone got a suggestion on how to get the magic back? On how to stop worrying and love the d20 system? To see past the flaws and see the game I fell in love with before? Can it be done? Should it be done?</blockquote>

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