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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4440102" data-attributes="member: 710">This sounds very familiar. I enjoyed 3E a lot.Yes. But the problem might not be what you think it is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Oh, well, it probably is, but I'd like not to be in the position to &quot;defend&quot; 4E at all. I've seen stuff repeated a lot of times, and always feel the need to post my typical answers. &quot;Uh-oh, X daily martials hurt my suspension of disbelief, how can anyone play that game&quot; - &quot;By seeing it as a narrative device, not necessarily a conscious choice of the character blablabla&quot;. Maybe the repeating stuff can't be avoided (it happened even in the old 3E threads&nbsp; &quot;How does Grapple work&quot;, &quot;Greater Cleave, Whirlwind&nbsp; + Bag of Rats - broken?&quot;, &quot;My Paladin killed Kobold babies and lost his powers - is the DM unfair?&quot;, &quot;What does RAW stand for?&quot;)But it's still tiresome. And then, why do some people have the need to attack it? Why can't we just state what we like from &quot;our&quot; game (and what not), and then maybe discuss how the games differ without trying to make any judgment. And don't tell me everything is implicitly &quot;in my opinion&quot;. Telling someone &quot;In my opinion, you're an idiot&quot; is still judgmental and does nothing to defuse the situation.All the current attitude achieves is that no one is willing to talk about the stuff he doesn't really like in his choice of system (if he actually made a choice), and this doesn't lead us anywhere. It's all in our heads, of course, but since it's there, we could actually try to change it!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 4440102, member: 710"] This sounds very familiar. I enjoyed 3E a lot. Yes. But the problem might not be what you think it is. :) Oh, well, it probably is, but I'd like not to be in the position to "defend" 4E at all. I've seen stuff repeated a lot of times, and always feel the need to post my typical answers. "Uh-oh, X daily martials hurt my suspension of disbelief, how can anyone play that game" - "By seeing it as a narrative device, not necessarily a conscious choice of the character blablabla". Maybe the repeating stuff can't be avoided (it happened even in the old 3E threads "How does Grapple work", "Greater Cleave, Whirlwind + Bag of Rats - broken?", "My Paladin killed Kobold babies and lost his powers - is the DM unfair?", "What does RAW stand for?") But it's still tiresome. And then, why do some people have the need to attack it? Why can't we just state what we like from "our" game (and what not), and then maybe discuss how the games differ without trying to make any judgment. And don't tell me everything is implicitly "in my opinion". Telling someone "In my opinion, you're an idiot" is still judgmental and does nothing to defuse the situation. All the current attitude achieves is that no one is willing to talk about the stuff he doesn't really like in his choice of system (if he actually made a choice), and this doesn't lead us anywhere. It's all in our heads, of course, but since it's there, we could actually try to change it! [/QUOTE]

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