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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5916839" data-attributes="member: 82425">Ditto for me. I have poo-pooed 4e in alot of ways but this is one of the things 4e (IMO) got right.I got so sick and tired of 3e &quot;there is a fight around the corner, lets stop the game and spend an hour sorting out buffs&quot; and then &quot;Has that spell run out? With the 15+ different things I had to keep track of on my character alone I lost track&quot;.This argument that 4e gave you too much to keep track of. Compared to what? 3e? 3e was a nightmare for keeping track of all of the effects in play.4e's approach had a simplicity to it* Combat &quot;pre-buffing&quot; was out (one of my biggest game bug-bears). Buffing was more of a natural consequence of committing to combat* Durations were simple. You didnt count them, they just had an instruction for when they ended. End of encounter might have been a bit &quot;gamy&quot;, but damn it was easy and we never once got it wrong.* Short durations were a good way to prevent &quot;I have 20 effects increasing my to-hit at once&quot; type of game breakers.Im sorry they didnt have the game effect you were after, but frankly I find it a bit surprising people want the 3e way back, I hated that.Perhaps there is another way....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 5916839, member: 82425"] Ditto for me. I have poo-pooed 4e in alot of ways but this is one of the things 4e (IMO) got right. I got so sick and tired of 3e "there is a fight around the corner, lets stop the game and spend an hour sorting out buffs" and then "Has that spell run out? With the 15+ different things I had to keep track of on my character alone I lost track". This argument that 4e gave you too much to keep track of. Compared to what? 3e? 3e was a nightmare for keeping track of all of the effects in play. 4e's approach had a simplicity to it * Combat "pre-buffing" was out (one of my biggest game bug-bears). Buffing was more of a natural consequence of committing to combat * Durations were simple. You didnt count them, they just had an instruction for when they ended. End of encounter might have been a bit "gamy", but damn it was easy and we never once got it wrong. * Short durations were a good way to prevent "I have 20 effects increasing my to-hit at once" type of game breakers. Im sorry they didnt have the game effect you were after, but frankly I find it a bit surprising people want the 3e way back, I hated that. Perhaps there is another way.... [/QUOTE]

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