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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5984124" data-attributes="member: 22779">Let me ask a question here, please.When 3e came out, one of the persistent criticisms of 3e was that it was nothing but a glorified combat engine.&nbsp; It was Tabletop Diablo (and, yeah, that would be Diablo 1, <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />).&nbsp; Characters were all defined by their combat abilities, everything revolved around combat and CR and Wealth by Level.&nbsp; It wasn't a real role playing game.Now, I don't think anyone in this thread agrees with that statement.&nbsp; Not at this point in time.But, here's my question.&nbsp; Show that the statement about 3e is wrong without at the same time showing that the statement about 4e is wrong as well.&nbsp; What makes 3e more than a glorified combat engine that 4e is lacking?&nbsp; For bonus points, show the same for 1e and 2e as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5984124, member: 22779"] Let me ask a question here, please. When 3e came out, one of the persistent criticisms of 3e was that it was nothing but a glorified combat engine. It was Tabletop Diablo (and, yeah, that would be Diablo 1, :D). Characters were all defined by their combat abilities, everything revolved around combat and CR and Wealth by Level. It wasn't a real role playing game. Now, I don't think anyone in this thread agrees with that statement. Not at this point in time. But, here's my question. Show that the statement about 3e is wrong without at the same time showing that the statement about 4e is wrong as well. What makes 3e more than a glorified combat engine that 4e is lacking? For bonus points, show the same for 1e and 2e as well. [/QUOTE]

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