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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5984312" data-attributes="member: 87792">Come back here with those goalposts!&nbsp;Your first statement was that you had to stop because you couldn't get through the door without picking the lock.&nbsp; It was an absolute limit (the way a Wall of Force is to a non-wizard).Now you are complaining that breaking the door will make things more dangerous.&nbsp; The implication being that taking a risk means you absolutely must stop.&nbsp;You are also implying that breaking a door will make enough noise to alert the entire dungeon when e.g. combat and steel clashing against steel won't. Your first combat in a dungeon (unless it's a pure flat-footed gank) will alert the enemy far more than hacking through a door ever would.&nbsp;Fundamentally, going in without a rogue doesn't make things impossible.&nbsp; But it should make your chances of remaining unnoticed lower - just as going in without a fighter makes combat more dangerous.&nbsp; But you can get through combats without a fighter and get through doors and traps without a rogue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5984312, member: 87792"] Come back here with those goalposts! Your first statement was that you had to stop because you couldn't get through the door without picking the lock. It was an absolute limit (the way a Wall of Force is to a non-wizard). Now you are complaining that breaking the door will make things more dangerous. The implication being that taking a risk means you absolutely must stop. You are also implying that breaking a door will make enough noise to alert the entire dungeon when e.g. combat and steel clashing against steel won't. Your first combat in a dungeon (unless it's a pure flat-footed gank) will alert the enemy far more than hacking through a door ever would. Fundamentally, going in without a rogue doesn't make things impossible. But it should make your chances of remaining unnoticed lower - just as going in without a fighter makes combat more dangerous. But you can get through combats without a fighter and get through doors and traps without a rogue. [/QUOTE]

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