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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9219139" data-attributes="member: 6684958">I'm a Forever DM.What I don't understand is the fixation players have on wanting a super easy pointless game Except the whole &quot;actions matter&quot; is a smoke screen.&nbsp; This is the basic problem.So there is an adventure over here to go on.....and &quot;suddenly&quot; the cool players just randomly want to rob the Gambling House on the edge of town.&nbsp; I'm fine with it.So then the players have the characters wait until the place closes....and they don't sneak it.&nbsp; And find the vault is locked, has guards and alarms.&nbsp; Then, like&nbsp; five year olds, they toss up their hands and whine and cry their actions don't matter.&nbsp; So the idea of &quot;actions matter&quot; to them is only: They randomly pick something to do and the game reality alters so they do that.So it would seem that they think it would automatically be like this &quot;The vault has an unlocked door and a single sleeping goblin guard.&nbsp; So the characters wander in and get tons of money.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess they watch too many cartoons and bad TV shows....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9219139, member: 6684958"] I'm a Forever DM. What I don't understand is the fixation players have on wanting a super easy pointless game Except the whole "actions matter" is a smoke screen. This is the basic problem. So there is an adventure over here to go on.....and "suddenly" the cool players just randomly want to rob the Gambling House on the edge of town. I'm fine with it. So then the players have the characters wait until the place closes....and they don't sneak it. And find the vault is locked, has guards and alarms. Then, like five year olds, they toss up their hands and whine and cry their actions don't matter. So the idea of "actions matter" to them is only: They randomly pick something to do and the game reality alters so they do that. So it would seem that they think it would automatically be like this "The vault has an unlocked door and a single sleeping goblin guard. So the characters wander in and get tons of money." I guess they watch too many cartoons and bad TV shows.... [/QUOTE]

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