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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9228254" data-attributes="member: 29398">Not quite.&nbsp; The players in-character (and, I assume, out-of-character) weren't interested in the demons adventures, so in-character they instead jumped on a ship and sailed far away to do other adventuring instead.The point is to let the players (and characters) know that the mess they left behind them has had some long-term consequences.&nbsp; This is the exact opposite of the DM allowing the players to wish away the demons: the players had their characters leave the demons but the demons are still there, and someone else in the setting had to deal with them.Now if you're suggesting the DM here should have had the demons chase the PCs down, or that the PCs shouldn't have been allowed to walk away from the demon adventures in the first place, we're just not going to agree further.Hidden vault inside the vault.&nbsp; Nice. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That won't be a popular notion in these parts.&nbsp; A small amount of judicious railroading on rare occasions is fine and can sometimes be necessary, but all railroad all the time does tend to play hell with player agency...and annoy the players.In fairness, one would think they'd try to pick the best character for the task at hand anyway.&nbsp; Whether the actual DC number is known in advance or not shouldn't change this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9228254, member: 29398"] Not quite. The players in-character (and, I assume, out-of-character) weren't interested in the demons adventures, so in-character they instead jumped on a ship and sailed far away to do other adventuring instead. The point is to let the players (and characters) know that the mess they left behind them has had some long-term consequences. This is the exact opposite of the DM allowing the players to wish away the demons: the players had their characters leave the demons but the demons are still there, and someone else in the setting had to deal with them. Now if you're suggesting the DM here should have had the demons chase the PCs down, or that the PCs shouldn't have been allowed to walk away from the demon adventures in the first place, we're just not going to agree further. Hidden vault inside the vault. Nice. :) That won't be a popular notion in these parts. A small amount of judicious railroading on rare occasions is fine and can sometimes be necessary, but all railroad all the time does tend to play hell with player agency...and annoy the players. In fairness, one would think they'd try to pick the best character for the task at hand anyway. Whether the actual DC number is known in advance or not shouldn't change this. [/QUOTE]

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