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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9229187" data-attributes="member: 93670">It's not obfuscating or incomplete if the PCs have no reason to know it.&nbsp; Take the 50ft tall slick(?) wall example that was thrown out, lets say&nbsp; for discussion purposes that it surrounds a secure location like a prison military fort or whatever... The players probably already know that the prison/military fort/whatever is on the other side &amp; getting inside is an important part of the adventure or needed as part of some side goal because we've shifted to a useless example if they are just scaling a random wall in a whiteroom for internet points just because it was there. <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If that wall has traps hidden to discourage climbing, that's not going to be a readily visible thing</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If that wall has matriculations, pc's mightbe able to see them from a casual glance as part of their approach.&nbsp; Those matriculations may also be hidden &amp; only seen from the climb itself<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The PCs certainly can't see who or what is on top of the wall unless it was large enough to be seen on approach.</li>
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the slick substance on the wall is poison irritating or numbing on contact those are all things that could dramatically impact the DC but only become clear with the climb itself or some other form of proactive analysis</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">etc</li>
</ul>What you are advocating for is more of a third person over the shoulder camera swivel cutscene being performed automatically for the PCs with glowing DC numbers floating there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9229187, member: 93670"] It's not obfuscating or incomplete if the PCs have no reason to know it. Take the 50ft tall slick(?) wall example that was thrown out, lets say for discussion purposes that it surrounds a secure location like a prison military fort or whatever... The players probably already know that the prison/military fort/whatever is on the other side & getting inside is an important part of the adventure or needed as part of some side goal because we've shifted to a useless example if they are just scaling a random wall in a whiteroom for internet points just because it was there. [LIST] [*]If that wall has traps hidden to discourage climbing, that's not going to be a readily visible thing [*]If that wall has matriculations, pc's [I]might[/I]be able to see them from a casual glance as part of their approach. Those matriculations may also be hidden & only seen from the climb itself [LIST] [*]The PCs certainly can't see who or what is on top of the wall unless it was large enough to be seen on approach. [/LIST] [*]If the slick substance on the wall is poison irritating or numbing on contact those are all things that could dramatically impact the DC but only become clear with the climb itself or some other form of proactive analysis [*]etc [/LIST] What you are advocating for is more of a third person over the shoulder camera swivel cutscene being performed automatically for the PCs with glowing DC numbers floating there. [/QUOTE]

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