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<blockquote data-quote="bloodtide" data-source="post: 9229516" data-attributes="member: 6684958">This is the difference between a Roll Playing Game and a Role Playing Game.&nbsp; You can play a game just fine with all rules and rolls....just like say many board games like Monopoly.&nbsp; You can have your &quot;nameless token character&quot; move forward one square and have Encounter Two, and so on.&nbsp;&nbsp; In such a game you would just say &quot;the goblin has an AC of 11 and five hit points&quot; and so on.&nbsp; You don't need to name your character, have a back ground, or do anything not just the pure rules.Or you can Role Play...as in a Role Play game:&nbsp; You do have some rules to ground the game as a game, but the primary focus is much more on role play.&nbsp; All the sorts of things you can do when you leave the rules behind.Experienced climbers......really anyone with even a couple brain cells and common sense...generally do things carefully and with safety foremost in mind.&nbsp; And when a person goes to do a task, you will do what you think will best do it.&nbsp; As in real life you can't ever know the DC to do anything.&nbsp; So I say this as The Hardcore Railroad Tycoon Baron of the 'Net........not only is this not a &quot;solution&quot; to anything, but it's a very bad idea.&nbsp; Seems pointless.&nbsp; And why is it wrong to force the players to do something they don't want, but it is ok to force a DM to do something they don't want to do?&nbsp; I though you said the DM and players were equal?&nbsp; Then this type of play is just as wrong as (your view) of Railroading play.&nbsp; Correct?This is the default.&nbsp; But this does not answer the question.&nbsp; Ok, everyone all agrees to play D&amp;D 5E and if you must have the limited focus game, everyone agrees to do the Undead Army Story Plot.&nbsp; Ok: everyone agreed to that.So your example was the players....just randomly say &quot;ok day...we want to buy an inn and run the inn and do all sorts of inn related stuff&quot;.&nbsp; So.....then the players are wrong to &quot;just do this in a game, right?&quot;&nbsp; I mean it's one thing to show up on game night and call a Special Meeting to say &quot;we the players with to officially declare that we will stop playing D&amp;D 5E and now wish to play Inns and Outs, the Hospitality Management RPG!&quot;&nbsp; But for the players to just buy and inn, or take any other such &quot;side&quot; action in the game is WRONG.&nbsp; Right?So the DM is 100% right when the messenger shows up with the &quot;ok, lets forget about your dumb inn and get back to the game....the undead army as been spotted near the coast&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bloodtide, post: 9229516, member: 6684958"] This is the difference between a Roll Playing Game and a Role Playing Game. You can play a game just fine with all rules and rolls....just like say many board games like Monopoly. You can have your "nameless token character" move forward one square and have Encounter Two, and so on. In such a game you would just say "the goblin has an AC of 11 and five hit points" and so on. You don't need to name your character, have a back ground, or do anything not just the pure rules. Or you can Role Play...as in a Role Play game: You do have some rules to ground the game as a game, but the primary focus is much more on role play. All the sorts of things you can do when you leave the rules behind. Experienced climbers......really anyone with even a couple brain cells and common sense...generally do things carefully and with safety foremost in mind. And when a person goes to do a task, you will do what you think will best do it. As in real life you can't ever know the DC to do anything. So I say this as The Hardcore Railroad Tycoon Baron of the 'Net........not only is this not a "solution" to anything, but it's a very bad idea. Seems pointless. And why is it wrong to force the players to do something they don't want, but it is ok to force a DM to do something they don't want to do? I though you said the DM and players were equal? Then this type of play is just as wrong as (your view) of Railroading play. Correct? This is the default. But this does not answer the question. Ok, everyone all agrees to play D&D 5E and if you must have the limited focus game, everyone agrees to do the Undead Army Story Plot. Ok: everyone agreed to that. So your example was the players....just randomly say "ok day...we want to buy an inn and run the inn and do all sorts of inn related stuff". So.....then the players are wrong to "just do this in a game, right?" I mean it's one thing to show up on game night and call a Special Meeting to say "we the players with to officially declare that we will stop playing D&D 5E and now wish to play Inns and Outs, the Hospitality Management RPG!" But for the players to just buy and inn, or take any other such "side" action in the game is WRONG. Right? So the DM is 100% right when the messenger shows up with the "ok, lets forget about your dumb inn and get back to the game....the undead army as been spotted near the coast" [/QUOTE]

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