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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9233655" data-attributes="member: 93670">This is a case were rules exist on both &amp; the chapter that Bagpuss was quoting from is pretty explicit about the gm having notable leeway as I pointred out earlier.No, that is the revision of what I wrote.&nbsp; What I wrote was[spoiler=&quot;this&quot;]The actual skills &amp; examples are secondary to the useful &quot;Who Could Do It&quot;[/spoiler]We were not talking about save DCs, that's a totally different area of design.I mostly agree, but answering the question &quot;who could do [whatever the PC is trying to do]&quot; along with any applicable circumstances that might adjust it is more relevant to setting the DC than who is trying to do it The manacles in a small town's drunk tank are almost certain to be of a different quality in make &amp; sizing than those in the dungeon of a bbeg with a likely history&nbsp; of keeping doogooders just as the level of scrutiny from active guards is going to differ. So too might the conditions of the cell holding the shackled individual wearing those manacles&nbsp; All of those combine&nbsp; in ways that notably impact &quot;Who Can Do It&quot;, the PHB entries raised earlier by bagpuss are not capable of setting DCs with that level of finesseYou have some of that backwards.&nbsp; I'm the one who brought up the ballpark spitball guessstimate in&nbsp; <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-want-my-actions-to-matter.701541/post-9233312" target="_blank">377</a>, <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-want-my-actions-to-matter.701541/post-9233230" target="_blank">368</a> raised the PHB entries as some kind of holy writ of absolutes.most DMs describe things in more &amp; different detail than the PHB examples.&nbsp; Some of the things noted in those examples are on the player to discover or arrange with their actions, I think there was discussion earlier in this thread about that kind of thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9233655, member: 93670"] [I]This[/I] is a case were rules exist on both & the chapter that Bagpuss was quoting from is pretty explicit about the gm having notable leeway as I pointred out earlier. No, that is the revision of what I wrote. What I wrote was [spoiler="this"] The actual skills & examples are secondary to the useful "Who Could Do It" [/spoiler] We were not talking about save DCs, that's a totally different area of design. I [I]mostly[/I] agree, but answering the question "who [I]could[/I] do [whatever the PC is trying to do]" along with any applicable circumstances that might adjust it is more relevant to setting the DC than who is [I]trying[/I] to do it The manacles in a small town's drunk tank are almost certain to be of a different quality in make & sizing than those in the dungeon of a bbeg with a likely history of keeping doogooders just as the level of scrutiny from active guards is going to differ. So too might the conditions of the cell holding the shackled individual wearing those manacles All of those combine in ways that notably impact "Who Can Do It", the PHB entries raised earlier by bagpuss are not capable of setting DCs with that level of finesse You have some of that backwards. I'm the one who brought up the ballpark spitball guessstimate in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-want-my-actions-to-matter.701541/post-9233312']377[/URL], [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/i-want-my-actions-to-matter.701541/post-9233230']368[/URL] raised the PHB entries as some kind of holy writ of absolutes. most DMs describe things in more & different detail than the PHB examples. Some of the things noted in those examples are on the player to discover or arrange with their actions, I think there was discussion earlier in this thread about that kind of thing. [/QUOTE]

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