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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 4826809" data-attributes="member: 16285">First off how much information do the PCs know about how easy it is to kill a vampire?Not the players, the PCs (this IMO is the heart of the matter keeping what the players and the PCs know separate - and alwys something difficult to know).Now unless the PCs have dealt with vampires before there is no reason to expect them to &quot;klnow&quot; how easy it is to destroy one.If you wanted to use Knowledge (Relgion) checks to see what your PC knew&nbsp; - that might work - but it sounds like the Players assumed their PCs know everything,&nbsp; a major problem with keeping in the spirit of role-playing.Note that you can't do a knowledge check untrained and a successful roll will only give you some &quot;basic&quot; information about the subject - never, ever everything in the MM. Well you can do a knowledge check untrained - it is a an Intelligence check but you never gain anything more then &quot;common&quot; knowledge (essentially what a result of a &quot;10&quot; would give).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 4826809, member: 16285"] First off how much information do the PCs know about how easy it is to kill a vampire? Not the players, the PCs (this IMO is the heart of the matter keeping what the players and the PCs know separate - and alwys something difficult to know). Now unless the PCs have dealt with vampires before there is no reason to expect them to "klnow" how easy it is to destroy one. If you wanted to use Knowledge (Relgion) checks to see what your PC knew - that might work - but it sounds like the Players assumed their PCs know everything, a major problem with keeping in the spirit of role-playing. Note that you can't do a knowledge check untrained and a successful roll will only give you some "basic" information about the subject - never, ever everything in the MM. Well you can do a knowledge check untrained - it is a an Intelligence check but you never gain anything more then "common" knowledge (essentially what a result of a "10" would give). [/QUOTE]

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