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<blockquote data-quote="udalrich" data-source="post: 4829369" data-attributes="member: 53796"><p>Part of what makes this situation complicated is that the PCs have several pieces of information:</p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There is something which looks very much like a vampire in his coffin, recovering from his wounds.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There is a missing kama</li> </ol><p>I'm also assuming the spell had a tactile component, so that the illusion was believable. Even if you fail your save against an illusion, if you then try to touch it and your hands go throw it, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that something strange is happening (and an illusion would be high on the list).</p><p></p><p>If the PCs only knew 1, they should decapitate/burn the body, search for loot with their usual thoroughness (which might include detect magic) and move on. If it's ever relevant, they believe that they did indeed kill the vampire.</p><p></p><p>Given that the PC's know 1 and 2, it's perfectly reasonable for them to search for the missing weapon (especially if they do well enough on the knowledge check to realize that the vampire's gear should still be around). If they're high enough level that it plausible for the kama to be magical, detect magic is perfectly appropriate. Searching for openings that would admit a gaseous form vampire but not a kama is very likely using out of character knowledge.</p><p></p><p>Going to the halfling example, if, while the halfling is bluffing the guard, his companion casts a silent, quickened invisibility (so the guard doesn't actually see why he disappears), once the guard notices that the companion has disappeared, he's still going to be concerned by that, even though he believes he's talking with a lammasu polymorphed into a halfling. </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Orange">"Yes, Mr. Lammasu, I know you're allowed in there. But us guards get concerned by people who disappear. Can you wait here a minute while I get this straightened out?" </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="udalrich, post: 4829369, member: 53796"] Part of what makes this situation complicated is that the PCs have several pieces of information: [LIST=1] [*]There is something which looks very much like a vampire in his coffin, recovering from his wounds. [*]There is a missing kama [/LIST] I'm also assuming the spell had a tactile component, so that the illusion was believable. Even if you fail your save against an illusion, if you then try to touch it and your hands go throw it, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that something strange is happening (and an illusion would be high on the list). If the PCs only knew 1, they should decapitate/burn the body, search for loot with their usual thoroughness (which might include detect magic) and move on. If it's ever relevant, they believe that they did indeed kill the vampire. Given that the PC's know 1 and 2, it's perfectly reasonable for them to search for the missing weapon (especially if they do well enough on the knowledge check to realize that the vampire's gear should still be around). If they're high enough level that it plausible for the kama to be magical, detect magic is perfectly appropriate. Searching for openings that would admit a gaseous form vampire but not a kama is very likely using out of character knowledge. Going to the halfling example, if, while the halfling is bluffing the guard, his companion casts a silent, quickened invisibility (so the guard doesn't actually see why he disappears), once the guard notices that the companion has disappeared, he's still going to be concerned by that, even though he believes he's talking with a lammasu polymorphed into a halfling. [COLOR=Orange]"Yes, Mr. Lammasu, I know you're allowed in there. But us guards get concerned by people who disappear. Can you wait here a minute while I get this straightened out?" [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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