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Message: <blockquote data-quote="akbearfoot" data-source="post: 4833711" data-attributes="member: 33560">The way I see it, the illusion can't force them to take any actions or not take any actions.  It's not mind affecting.  They can know something is wrong and not quite perceive how to pierce the illusion they think might be there.  Thats when you resort to the other tactics mentioned.  Thats the problem with illusions,  people know that sometimes they can fail saving throws, or in character terms be fooled by magic.  People usually trust what their eyes see, but they don't always.  A non-mind-affecting spell does not have the power to change this.It sounded like they actually handled the corpse and weren't allowed a save.  Then when the PC noticed something was missing that they thought was supposed to be there, everyone started to suspect foul play.  That was when the DM allowed them to make a save, then he proceeded to strip away their free will in order to keep them from discovering the truth.   Presumeably to save the BBEG.  Nothing wrong with recycling BBEGs, but care needs to be taken not to rob the characters of their fair chance.If the PCs for some strange reason never bother searching for treasure or never use detect magic to look for magic items or magic traps, or people with spells going etc...then it would sound pretty fishy though.  But the fact that they had a list of things they wanted to try suggests they are probably smart when it comes to scouring dungeons for shineys.</blockquote>

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