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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MichaelK" data-source="post: 4837869" data-attributes="member: 60635">Some might argue that this is why Clerics have high will saves.Anyway, it is a perpetual problem in games that you may have a perceptive player controlling a stupid character or a socially inept player who supposedly runs a charming bard for their character. In this case what's written on the character sheet and what's provided by the player contradict one another.The degree to which a character's actions should be governed by the player's choices and the degree to which random chance and the characters statistics should control them is something that's often debated... but rarely solved.You seem to be on one side, your DM the other. This thread is divided in a similar fashion.Frankly I think it all stems originally from your DM not having thoroughly read the rules on magic in the PHB or running illusions to more of a 2nd edition standard than a 3.x standard. This could have been avoided with a closer following the rules.But... now that the problem has occurred, I'd recommend not worrying too much about who is right. This is a thorny issue with a lot of tough dilemnas involved.Instead maybe talk with your DM. Express your concerns and discuss how you can work together to make the game run better for everyone. See if you can find a compromise.</blockquote>