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<blockquote data-quote="Foxworthy" data-source="post: 4838780" data-attributes="member: 80704"><p>Again, just because something isn't Mind Affecting doesn't mean it can't exert control over a creature/person. An intelligent plant is still subject to Command Plant even though it's not Mind Affecting. Mind Affecting is nothing more than a descriptor to tell how spells interact with other game effects. That would be like saying Melf's Acid Arrow can't cause something to die because it's not a Death effect.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, your right that the illusion wouldn't stop the players from thinking it's a fake corpse. It also wouldn't normally prevent them from casting detect magic...</p><p></p><p>Except the OP already said that he asked another player to cast detect magic to figure out it was an illusion "after" he failed a disbelief check.</p><p></p><p>His character failed the disbelief check so he no longer thinks it's an illusion. He may still believe the body to be a fake though.</p><p></p><p>The character that doesn't think it's an illusion then asks another character to cast detect magic to find out if it's an illusion. Despite the fact that the character asking doesn't believe their is an illusion.</p><p></p><p>The reason the character does this is because the player failed a saving throw. The character is acting on the knowledge that the player failed the saving throw.</p><p></p><p>If the character would have asked the other character to cast detect magic to see if the body was preserved with Gentle Repose, or any other spell, than no one would have been saying he was metagaming.</p><p></p><p>But he didn't he had the other player cast detect magic because he found out it was an illusion by failing a saving throw. That's metagaming. He decide his course of action based on a failed saving throw.</p><p></p><p>And while his DM has changed the rules on how illusions work, he obviously hasn't change the way disbelief works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Foxworthy, post: 4838780, member: 80704"] Again, just because something isn't Mind Affecting doesn't mean it can't exert control over a creature/person. An intelligent plant is still subject to Command Plant even though it's not Mind Affecting. Mind Affecting is nothing more than a descriptor to tell how spells interact with other game effects. That would be like saying Melf's Acid Arrow can't cause something to die because it's not a Death effect. Anyway, your right that the illusion wouldn't stop the players from thinking it's a fake corpse. It also wouldn't normally prevent them from casting detect magic... Except the OP already said that he asked another player to cast detect magic to figure out it was an illusion "after" he failed a disbelief check. His character failed the disbelief check so he no longer thinks it's an illusion. He may still believe the body to be a fake though. The character that doesn't think it's an illusion then asks another character to cast detect magic to find out if it's an illusion. Despite the fact that the character asking doesn't believe their is an illusion. The reason the character does this is because the player failed a saving throw. The character is acting on the knowledge that the player failed the saving throw. If the character would have asked the other character to cast detect magic to see if the body was preserved with Gentle Repose, or any other spell, than no one would have been saying he was metagaming. But he didn't he had the other player cast detect magic because he found out it was an illusion by failing a saving throw. That's metagaming. He decide his course of action based on a failed saving throw. And while his DM has changed the rules on how illusions work, he obviously hasn't change the way disbelief works. [/QUOTE]
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