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<blockquote data-quote="Moff_Tarkin" data-source="post: 4844041" data-attributes="member: 14175"><p>The missing kama was the tip off that this body wasn’t real. That little fact makes a big difference. Throughout many fantasy stories, heroes have always uncovered deception by seeing minor details like that. The illusionist makes 4 copies of himself to confuse the heroes. But one crafty hero shouts to his friends, “Look, that one has blue eyes and the other have brown”. In any case, the missing kama caused us to believe the body was fake. Not just suspicious, we knew something was up and were going to investigate that coffin.</p><p></p><p>I say that I believe something, then the DM rolls a dice and says “no you don’t.” How is that not mind affecting, how is that valid DMing? If I am suspicious of someone, how can the DM roll a dice and then say “No your not.”</p><p></p><p>Due to the failed Will save, our senses tell us that this body isn’t an illusion, but not that it’s his real body. It was the situation under which we found the body (that is, without a kama) that made us believe the body was a decoy of some kind.</p><p></p><p>The people arguing on the metagaming side claim that we didn’t know the body was an illusion until we made Will saves. The truth is your absolutely right, unfortunately that actually helps prove my case. Nobody in the party thought the body was an illusion. After all, the DM said we decapitate and burn it just fine; had it been an illusion, our sword would have passed harmlessly through it. So, when we failed our Will save, the corpse appeared real to us. But that doesn’t change anything. We always assumed the corpse was real, (real as in not an illusion) we just thought it was a decoy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moff_Tarkin, post: 4844041, member: 14175"] The missing kama was the tip off that this body wasn’t real. That little fact makes a big difference. Throughout many fantasy stories, heroes have always uncovered deception by seeing minor details like that. The illusionist makes 4 copies of himself to confuse the heroes. But one crafty hero shouts to his friends, “Look, that one has blue eyes and the other have brown”. In any case, the missing kama caused us to believe the body was fake. Not just suspicious, we knew something was up and were going to investigate that coffin. I say that I believe something, then the DM rolls a dice and says “no you don’t.” How is that not mind affecting, how is that valid DMing? If I am suspicious of someone, how can the DM roll a dice and then say “No your not.” Due to the failed Will save, our senses tell us that this body isn’t an illusion, but not that it’s his real body. It was the situation under which we found the body (that is, without a kama) that made us believe the body was a decoy of some kind. The people arguing on the metagaming side claim that we didn’t know the body was an illusion until we made Will saves. The truth is your absolutely right, unfortunately that actually helps prove my case. Nobody in the party thought the body was an illusion. After all, the DM said we decapitate and burn it just fine; had it been an illusion, our sword would have passed harmlessly through it. So, when we failed our Will save, the corpse appeared real to us. But that doesn’t change anything. We always assumed the corpse was real, (real as in not an illusion) we just thought it was a decoy. [/QUOTE]
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