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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moff_Tarkin" data-source="post: 4845816" data-attributes="member: 14175">It does sound unreal, but that’s the point. If a body appearing real to all your physical senses cant be called a fake, then how did we do it. You cant call out of character knowledge on real life assumptions.I’ll try to play devils advocate here however. I think what irdeggman is arguing is that we had every right to believe the corpse was a fake at first, but that failing the Will saves should have made those suspicions go away. I can see that as a rational argument.The problem starts when the first player said, “I think this corpse is a fake.” That statement was made before the Will save, and ergo without knowledge of such a save. The argument is that failing the save makes that suspicion go away. But I don’t think that it should.Most people are dead set in their opinions and beliefs, and nothing much can change them. Take this argument for example, we have people on both sides, but after 8 pages of discussion I don’t think anyone has changed their opinion. The first PC said the corpse was a fake, at that point it was dead set in our minds, and no amount of “proof” or “evidence” was ever going to convince us otherwise. We already claimed the corpse to be fake, and as stubborn humans (or dwarves, elves, etc.) nothing will ever change our opinion.</blockquote>